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<h1>Konversation med #freegamer</h1>

<b>Konversation med #freegamer på 2009-01-30 14:07:38:</b><br>



<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(19:39:58) </font></span><b><font size="3">dnievas_ lämnade rummet (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(15:52:59) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">do anyone here got a link the the goats distubution system wiki?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(15:53:59) </font></span><b><font size="3">Roots [<i>i=roots@adsl-99-128-119-165.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net</i>] kom in i rummet.</font></b><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(15:54:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>this one? <a href="http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/index.html">http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/index.html</a></font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(15:55:05) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">yes that's the one, thanks nekotaku</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(15:55:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I first read it as &quot;goatse disturbuti...&quot;</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(15:57:10) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">lol</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(15:57:21) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>also, firefox remembered the link when I typed &quot;di&quot; to the location bar. pretty awesome</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(15:57:27) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>lol</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(16:01:57) </font></span><b><font size="3">tmass lämnade rummet (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).</font></b><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(16:01:58) </font></span><b><font size="3">[1]tmass är nu känd som tmass</font></b><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(16:10:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>_Andrew, you know these, right? <a href="http://importfood.com/media/rtkk1205.jpg">http://importfood.com/media/rtkk1205.jpg</a></font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(16:13:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'>nekotaku: </span>Tranberry: nice try on the forums but &quot;visionaries&quot; sounds even worse than &quot;personal opinions&quot;. it makes me think of Bob's Game :-P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:13:49) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: well, I could not come up with anything better</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:14:40) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">I don't think &quot;personal opinions&quot; is a good description of these kinds of blawgs</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(16:14:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'>_Andrew: </span>Tranberry: I need to help someone with an app but I cant see the app</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(16:15:27) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>it's an accurate term most of the time, though</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:15:29) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">_Andrew: ok, spying is a fun thing if it is not actually harming anyone though</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(16:15:47) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>weirdo..</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(16:16:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>Sindwiller: I've never seen them when I was in Thailand</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:16:09) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: It's also somewhat pulling the floor away from the ones under that category</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(16:16:30) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>A lot of food made in Thailand doesn't get sold there, it's exported</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:16:44) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">_Andrew: yeah that's me</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(16:17:06) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I wouldn't mind if a few bloggers fell in the abyss :-P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:17:38) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: I know you are in the negative fold :P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#552a35">(16:18:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #552a35;'>ghoulsblade: </span>visionaire/personal opinion : how about    project specific vs generic ?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:19:04) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">ghoulsblade: that is good </font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#552a35">(16:19:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #552a35;'>ghoulsblade: </span>or  project specific vs foss gamedev blogs ?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(16:19:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>project specific vs cowboy blogs</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#552a35">(16:19:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #552a35;'>ghoulsblade: </span>project specific + devblogs</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(16:20:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>project blogs and developer blogs could work, though</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:20:30) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">ghoulsblade: all your suggestions are better then the first two made</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:20:57) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: I think you need to set up a blog</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#552a35">(16:21:07) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #552a35;'>ghoulsblade: </span>feel free to post them in the forum, i haven't got a trademark on them =)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:21:21) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">tm</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:21:22) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">:D</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#552a35">(16:21:34) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #552a35;'>ghoulsblade: </span>t</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(16:21:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'>nekotaku: </span>Tranberry: I'd probably update it like 2 times and then once a year</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:21:49) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: that is fine by me</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#552a35">(16:21:57) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #552a35;'>ghoulsblade: </span>i wonder if someone patented the trademark system already</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#552a35">(16:22:01) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #552a35;'>ghoulsblade: </span>trademark (tm)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#552a35">(16:22:07) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #552a35;'>ghoulsblade: </span>endless recursion</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:22:15) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">heh</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(16:23:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>Sindwiller: Apparently they do sell it.. They got coffe flavoured peanuts too</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(16:23:58) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I'll probably have to create a project blog in the future, but it will likely face the same problems</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(16:23:59) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>.. and chicken :S</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#552a35">(16:24:21) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #552a35;'>ghoulsblade: </span>eww, how about peanut flavoured peanuts ?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(16:25:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>Don't be silly</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(16:25:45) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>Why would they sell peanut flavoured peanuts..</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(16:25:57) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>well, I have the same problem on the forums too. I try to write something and then backspace it all because I don't think it contributes anything useful</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(16:26:37) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>I still think this p2p game distribution system is a useless idea..</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:27:22) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: just post it all, sooner or later it will be usefull for someone</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(16:27:39) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>I'm reading the goals and it doesn't make sense why anyone would contribute. People want to play the games not program them. That's what we do.</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:27:55) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">_Andrew: well it could very well become useless</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(16:28:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>yeah, the P2P thing feels a bit like a solution in search of a problem</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(16:29:01) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>It's done under the assumption that if you built it contributors will come, they won't and we already have very good methods for sending in contributions</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:29:30) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">but bashing anyones idea without being asked to fullfill it, is not really uesfull for anyone. Not even to him who will &quot;wast his time&quot; developing it.</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(16:29:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I like the idea of distributing releases over a P2P network, though</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(16:30:05) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>Yeah, but that's a different project git p2p</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(16:30:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>_Andrew, lol :D</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(16:30:20) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>or deb p2p</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:30:29) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">I think my next blogpost will clear your minds, lol</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(16:30:31) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>I'm having the bbq ones</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(16:30:38) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>they're pretty delicious alright</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(16:30:51) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>This p2p game distribution is just a graphical wrapper around git p2p</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:31:29) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">_Andrew: that is good in my mind</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(16:31:45) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I don't think that would be a bad idea per se, but the plan outlined in the wiki is too broad and ambitious</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(16:31:56) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>If the people involve want to do it then fine, but the idea should stand up to criticism, not blow over when ever someone finds faults with it</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:32:12) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: I agree that the wiki is not clear in any way</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(16:32:43) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>just restrict it to the distribution part and make a simple wrapper for whatever P2P protocol you choose and it would be good</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:32:44) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">I find it almost impossible to understand, sadly</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(16:32:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>I'd very much like it to be a success, however in its current form it doesn't look useful or helpful to my particular problems as a game dev</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:33:40) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">the idea needs a rethink I guess</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(16:33:45) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>If we're talking about windows which doesn't have a package manager then yeah, I could understand why it's useful</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(16:34:31) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>but if anyone wants to contribute all you need to do is &quot;bzr diff &gt; file.patch&quot;  or whatever vcs you use the command is pretty much the same</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(16:35:04) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>Even with distributed git p2p I don't see that changing.</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:35:12) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">now I actually think my next post will be interesting</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(16:35:22) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>I also don't like the patch rating idea.</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(16:35:25) </font></span><b><font size="3">inf3rnal [<i>n=chrr@CPE001cf05224c5-CM001371b70dc2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com</i>] kom in i rummet.</font></b><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(16:36:12) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>However, that's not to say a patch flagging system isn't a good idea</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(16:37:09) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>decentralizing the source code is sort of backwards, though</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(16:37:34) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>Does anyone know of any good patch tracking systems btw? All I know is sourceforge's</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(16:38:25) </font></span><b><font size="3">kiba_ är nu känd som kiba</font></b><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(16:39:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I have never had any use for one so no</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(16:41:22) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>lots of projects seem to just prefer the patches to be sent to mailing lists</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(16:42:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>_Andrew, I didn't know you could do bigass *.patch's for media and stuff like that</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(16:42:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>:/</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:42:35) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: to me that sounds like there are no good patch tracking systems</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(16:43:09) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>or no one uses them</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:43:28) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: that's the same to me</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(16:46:38) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>some projects allow people to upload patches to a bug tracker as file attachments but it's basically the same as emailing the patches</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(16:47:27) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I don't think it makes a big difference to either the project admin or people submitting the patches</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:48:08) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">maybe not</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(16:48:31) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">but mailing to me is not an optional way for anything including sending mail.</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#062585">(16:48:57) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #062585;'><font size="3">***Sindwiller </font></span><font size="3">scratches his head</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(16:49:07) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>nekotaku, you do realize that games are much more than just code</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(16:49:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>yes, I do</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(16:49:58) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Distributing, deploying and testing even small pieces of code and media should be made possible :)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(16:50:05) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>It's kind of laborious right now, you see</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(16:53:42) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>well, mailing lists are a poor choice if your community and developers are loosely bound together, but I don't see how a dedicated patch tracker would be a significant improvement over a generic purpose tracker</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(16:58:18) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>Sindwiller: That's what dropbox is for</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(16:59:40) </font></span><b><font size="3">TheAncientGoat [<i>n=ryan@92.99.58.103</i>] kom in i rummet.</font></b><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:00:26) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">_Andrew: can you give me the rundown of dropbox?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:00:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>IMO I think mailing lists are the best for sending patches. If you take the wine project for example when you send a patch a automatic bot which is subscribed to the list downloads you patch checks it, builds it and sends you back a report</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(17:00:44) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'>Sindwiller: </span>Tranberry, it's basically TortoiseSVN without the suck :P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:01:03) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">Sindwiller: can you send to vcs?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:01:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>VCS?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:01:16) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">version control systems</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:01:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>ah, no.</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:01:20) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">I think</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:01:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>Not only this but it allows everyone to check the patches and send feedback direct to the developer</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:01:29) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>I meant GUI-wise</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:01:36) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">Sindwiller: do you use it?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:01:45) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>TortoiseSVN or Dropbox?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:02:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>I prefer things sent to my email because I check it more often then anything else</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:02:39) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">dropbix</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:02:40) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">oo</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:02:50) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>I do</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:03:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>c-thru puts all the artwork in there</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:03:18) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">is it free??</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:03:21) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>Yup</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:03:47) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>The client is open source with mac/linux/windows</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:04:24) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>_Andrew, well, I was actually thinking of a system where you could easily publish one piece and the other devs could then apply one or more seperate changes, and even revert them, too, so testing would be made easy :)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:04:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>The hosting isn't however I couldn't ever imagine it being that hard to copy the backend if you really wanted to</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:04:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>On the other hand, Dropbox doesn't really feature P2P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:04:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Hey guys</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:04:59) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Nor does it use something like GIT, which can be used for both media and code</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:05:06) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">hello TheAncientGoat</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:05:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>You can use any vcs for media</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:05:20) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>What are we talking about :)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:05:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>However, it's kind of unconvenient for media, and that's when the other system on top of GIT or anything else :)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:05:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>git isn't special in that respect</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:05:27) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>TheAncientGoat, your idea :P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:05:40) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: how to share media atm</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:05:41) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>_Andrew, I know :)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#46677f">(17:06:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #46677f;'>inf3rnal: </span>any good free 4x games out there? :)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:06:07) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: it evolved from a small discussion about your idea</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#46677f">(17:06:09) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #46677f;'>inf3rnal: </span>besides freeciv</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:06:29) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>inf3rnal: There are a few</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:06:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>inf3rnal, Freecol</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(17:06:40) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Tranberry Sindwiller Cool guys :)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#46677f">(17:06:57) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #46677f;'>inf3rnal: </span>looking for something like master of orion...but freeorion isn;t complete yet</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:06:59) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>How did it get to dropbox tho?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:07:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>inf3rnal: Checkout 1000parsecs too</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:07:24) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>But I dont think its complete either</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:07:29) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: we talked about current systems that you could use</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:07:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I don't understand the complaint, though. if you can upload your changes anywhere at all and inform other people, can't they then rip your patch apart and test it and whatever as wanted?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:07:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Ah</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:07:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>inf3rnal, Freeorion is the only MoO-like game ATM :)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:08:21) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>inf3rnal, of course, you could give game design feedback, or technical help such as bughunting/squashing or even contribute graphics</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:08:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Sindwiller: Isnt 1000 parsecs also aiming to do something like it?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:08:43) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>TheAncientGoat, they're trying to do a tech for that kind of games</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:08:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>The actual 'game' is pretty much dead :P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:09:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>... as in, nobody plays it</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:09:09) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>ahh</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:09:17) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>FreeOrion, on the other hand, you can play singleplayer with AI enemies</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:10:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>&lt;TheAncientGoat&gt; How did it get to dropbox tho? &lt;--- media</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:10:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>&lt;Sindwiller&gt; nekotaku, you do realize that games are much more than just code</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:10:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>&lt;nekotaku&gt; yes, I do</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:10:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>&lt;Sindwiller&gt; Distributing, deploying and testing even small pieces of code and media should be made possible :)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:10:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Ah..</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:10:59) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I still don't see how all of those aren't possible currently :-|</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:11:31) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>They are. Just not in an easy way</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:11:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Yep</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:12:20) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>then what would be easier than uploading the relevant files and letting other people download then?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:12:31) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>*them</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:13:26) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>&lt;Sindwiller&gt; _Andrew, well, I was actually thinking of a system where you could easily publish one piece and the other devs could then apply one or more seperate changes, and even revert them, too, so testing would be made easy :)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:13:37) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>And so on.</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:13:39) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: you don't even touch the problem with that question</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:13:43) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>it's never going to be completely effortless. it isn't even if all the guys involved are regular developers in the same project</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:14:18) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>nekotaku, of course, you could keep going the more simple way a few hundred times :P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:14:28) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>nekotaku: There are many problems with the current ways of doing so, problems that arent solved efficiently</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:15:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>well, what bothers me is that no one names the problems, only complain in general</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:15:21) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>On the other hand, FOSS doesn't have decent game dev tools anyway. Not for game engines, and not even beyond</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:15:27) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>We could, but they are pretty self evident..</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:15:41) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">I want to write something along the lines of &quot;walking the forest path is fine, but building a road will make it faster&quot;</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:15:48) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">but I will not</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:16:50) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>tools for creating the content are admittedly a problem, but they are a different problem</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:17:03) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: that is also a real problem</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:17:44) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">the tools for graphic atleast tries to be all, while doing nothing at all any good.</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:17:47) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>nekotaku, well, as an artist or a designer, regardless of which area, there are two crucial areas to cover :)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:17:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>1) Creation 2) Deployment</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:18:20) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>The first area is the hardest one to change</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:18:21) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">too me there are not even a good doodle painting app</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:18:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Since dev tools are bound to game engines and developing them requires special knowledge blah blah blah</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:18:46) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>so you basically want to create the stuff easily and test it yourself before sending to the developers?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:19:14) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">that would be a side goal to me</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:19:28) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>nekotaku: That is not how I envision it</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:19:31) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>That is one of the things that needs change. On the other hand, testing should be made for the other devs, too</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:19:41) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>*should be made easy</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:20:41) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>okay, so, let's assume that both of those are the case and you had the artwork make easily enough and it looked good when you tested it in-game. now, where's the problem with sending the patches everyone is complaining about?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:20:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>*made easily</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:21:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Because patching is a *beep*</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:21:27) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>I sounds like a recreation of gentoo but specifically for games in the hope that it will boost from involvement with development. Is that the project in a nutshell?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:21:51) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>(minus the spelling errors)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:22:28) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>I think it's Gentoo for the devs, and Ubuntu for the users :P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:22:57) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>The point is to kinda break that division though</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:23:22) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>It's not going to break though.</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:23:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Not to break, but to narrow</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:24:04) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>because you're talking about two different mindsets a) those who want to play games (ie users) b) those who want to program (ie developers)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:24:11) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>And by developers, I don't mean the core teams, I more mean contributors</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:24:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>so far, to me it looks like the only real problem is that using tools and the art pipeline is too hard for artists and it has actually nothing to do with distribution of patches</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:24:26) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>You're trying to merge to two but it won't work because users don't want to program in the first place</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:24:48) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: I think you hit the nail there </font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:24:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>_Andrew: Not all developers are coders..</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:24:58) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>no</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:25:05) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>let me say again differently</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:25:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>but why is everyone complaining about distribution then? :-F</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:25:28) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">_Andrew: well this could be two things in one, one for users and one for contributors</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:25:39) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>You're trying to merge contributors and users together but users just want to use, not contribute</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:25:53) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">_Andrew: then explain why there are mods</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:26:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>nekotaku: distribution is a problem... I'll explain when there's more coherence</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:26:22) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>What has that got to do with anything?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(17:26:27) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'>nekotaku: </span>Tranberry: modders are developers, I think</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:26:39) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>nekotaku, ...?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:26:41) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">it shows that users become devs</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:26:45) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>there are still lots of people who will never do anything constructive</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:26:47) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>_Andrew: Sure, not /everyone/ is going to contribute</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:26:55) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>nekotaku, of course not</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:26:56) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">not all*</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:27:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>nekotaku, in fact, HL1 still has more decent mods than there are more or less decent FOSS games</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:27:16) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>:¬|</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:27:18) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>But at the moment, the balance in open source contribution is even less than in some proprietery cases, and I find that insane</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:27:27) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>That game is from 1999</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:27:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>And it's one single case.</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:27:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>If you count all the mods for all the *popular* FPS games</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:28:02) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">this also binds in shared worlds in my mind</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:28:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>well, maybe the problem actually is that making content for the games is just too hard?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:28:09) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>HL1, HL2, Unreal, the later Unreal Tournaments, etc.</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:28:20) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: yes that is part of the problem too</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:28:38) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>People must see contribution to foss games as a near responsibility.. They make use of it, enjoy it, and put /nothing/ back into it, and even complain, without doing anything/</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:28:55) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>nekotaku: That is a problem</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:29:10) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>But everyone knows that</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:29:11) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>live with it, because people won't change :-P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:29:25) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: there you go mr negative</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:29:46) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I know :-P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:29:47) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>Then let them, you can't force people who have other interests to contribute</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:30:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>You cant force them, no</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:30:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>But you can create an environment to encorage them</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:30:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>You can invite them to :)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:30:14) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">why force when you could make it easier</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:30:17) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>for many people, gaming is an escape from responsibilities. making games a responsibility will drive them away</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:30:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Look at user created content</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:30:37) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">I don't like the narowmindness...</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:30:45) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Look at spore, and little big planet, and garry's mod</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:31:09) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>they all require effort to do things, and people do!</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:31:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>So how is this program other to encourage development for people that just want to play a game?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:31:52) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">the problem in your thinking _Andrew is that you have decided that players are only that; players. Some are not just players.</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(17:32:16) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Tranberry: most of them are tho</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:32:25) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">this is a black and white thinkning error</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:32:39) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: yes most do not contribute</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:32:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>How is a distributed p2p git with a GUI wrapper going to encourage players to develop?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:32:55) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">that do not mean they can not and will never do</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:33:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>IMO, user created content is an example of how ease of *creating* content allows more people to enjoy it</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:33:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>If that is a correct representation of the program..</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:33:35) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">_Andrew: to be honset I don't think we have nailed that yet</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:33:59) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>_Andrew: By allowing smaller contributions. By elevating development, showing the users /how/ they can improve games. By rewarding them through the community</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:34:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I guess people have different tolerance levels to how much effort it can take before it gets annoying</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:34:28) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>How does it allow smaller contributions?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:34:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>If a person can make a texture and submit it to a game in the press of a button, they will</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:35:12) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I think a typical user would need to see the improvement right away</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:35:31) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>having to wait for developers to apply the patch is a no-no</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:35:55) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>but that would require evolution from part of the games, not distribution systems</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:35:57) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: yes I agree that that is a pain</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:36:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>If someone had the motivation to make a texture then I think it's safe to assume they'd have the motivation to email that texture, or post it on a forum. I don't see how making it one click would encourage more contributions, all it does it streamline to process</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:36:50) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">_Andrew: from a personal experience I can say that I don't fit your description</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:37:43) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>nekotaku: Yes, exactly</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:37:43) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>_Andrew: But the motivation is sapped by those processes, you see. It is also sapped by the bureaucracy, of the system</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:38:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>- ,</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:39:07) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>I don't see how an email &quot;hey I made this, use it or lose it&quot; is a huge effort.</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:40:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>I also don't see how it encourages users to make textures, unless making textures was part of some game</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:40:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>And imagine if every person who plays a game was to go to the forums and post stuff that they made, how chaotic it would get? No one would be able to make any use of it, the content would just lie there, unorganized</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:40:27) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>TheAncientGoat: wrong, the developers would add it all to the game</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:41:07) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>the problem is that if you have to wait for them to do that before you can do more, you'll lose interest</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:41:37) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Really? If there where multiple versions of the same file? Would they really go to the measures of doing quality control of all these submissions while still doing their own work?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:41:56) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>_Andrew: Lets do a step by step comparison of the 2 methods</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:42:04) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>yes, because improving the game *is* their work</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:42:15) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>Like I said earlier, that is what dropbox is for.</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:42:55) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>but even without a special program it's still very do-able.. &quot;hey, here's the update&quot;</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:43:01) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I don't think a lot of games get far enough to have too many contributions, though</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:43:38) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>A game distribution system is a good idea, however I think you need to re-think it a little</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:43:40) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">I wonder where did the consturctive critisim go?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:43:49) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Unaided method: Play game, see lack, find file, do improvements, make patch, open browser, find game site, find contact details, write email, upload content, send email, wait for dev to reply/patch..</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:44:18) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>If you already fixed you game why would you wait for a patch?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:44:41) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Aided method: Play game, find file (aided), do improvements (aided), publish commit</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:44:41) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">why did you bother to write that?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:45:05) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">I mean there is absolutly nothing in it other than hanging on words</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:45:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>_Andrew: because, you are uncertain that the changes get taken into account</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:45:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Remember, not everyone agrees that X is better than Y</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:45:36) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">asking for the sake of asking... :/</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:46:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I think the optimal model would be more like this: play game, find problem, enter editor mode in-game, fix the problem, email changes</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:46:41) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>With the p2p system, anyone can pull from anyone. The number of pulls should reflect quality</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:47:06) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: I would like to remove the need to email it also</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:47:44) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Emailing isnt just one button nekotaku. You need to find contact details, upload files if the changes are large, and you still dont have confirmation that your changes will be used</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:48:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>well, you could theoretically add all that to the game</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:48:20) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">I don't think you need to know that it will be used, just that it will be considerd</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:48:42) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: that be a lot of reinventing the wheel</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:48:47) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">would*</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:48:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>library?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:48:57) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>nekotaku: Of course you could add it to the game. But then thered be a 100 different games implementing the same functionality</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:49:02) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">_Andrew: did I offend you?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:49:21) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>I just don't see how is it any different from what already happens</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:49:27) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>this is **</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:49:37) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>100 different games using a good library wouldn't be too bad</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:49:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>You're just doing it in a more complicated way for the project admins</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:50:17) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>_Andrew: the problem is, it doesnt happen</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:50:30) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>What doesn't?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:50:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>nekotaku: Sure nekotaku, a library could work. But then the interface would have to be reinvented..</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:51:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>_Andrew: Mass contribution</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:51:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>_Andrew, that is a concept which is not proven useless unless implemented :P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:51:34) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>why should the patch submission tool be P2P anyway? can't you just make a wrapper over what developers already use? like, email or bug trackers?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:51:50) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>if finding the contact information is the problem, wouldn't that fix it all?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:51:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Because it isnt a patch submission tool</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:52:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>You're simply thinking of patches</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:52:07) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>I dont know where that came about..</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:52:11) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>I don't really understand what it is..</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:52:11) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>It's the wrong way to look at it</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#552a35">(17:52:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #552a35;'>ghoulsblade: </span>i don't get the p2p part either, anyway a tool for browsing and installing games would be nice =)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:52:29) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>It's a game distribution system that lets you change stuff..</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#552a35">(17:52:46) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #552a35;'>ghoulsblade: </span>p2p:  i mean it's not like there are any 40gb foss games around anyway</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:52:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>ghoulsblade: p2p to save on hosting costs, for when os games break the 1gig barrier</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#552a35">(17:53:15) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #552a35;'>ghoulsblade: </span>yeah, why not add it when they break it ?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:53:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>Sindwiller: patch == band-aid == fix to a problem</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:53:26) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>ghoulsblade, well, FOSS games tend to optimize their size for online distribution</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#552a35">(17:53:28) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #552a35;'>ghoulsblade: </span>there are probably better p2p technologies then than there are now</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:53:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>nekotaku, I know.</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:53:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>nekotaku, what TheAncientGoat is talking about is a way to make contribution easier - not only patching, but also contribution!</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:53:58) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>And testing that contribution</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:53:59) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>but any contribution is a patch</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:54:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Comparing multiple contribution</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:54:11) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>*contributions</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(17:54:13) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">I actually agree with ghoulsblade, but bearing p2p in mind for easy transition when it is due would be smart</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#552a35">(17:54:22) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #552a35;'>ghoulsblade: </span>i don't think a distribution tool is going to have any major inpakt on what foss games optimize for</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:54:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>ghoulsblade: p2p also allows for the seperate repository branches that dvcs uses</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(17:54:51) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'>Sindwiller: </span>ghoulsblade, of course not. But as Tranberry said, people would be prepared once devs realize they CAN distribute shitloads of content with their game</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:54:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>:P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#552a35">(17:55:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #552a35;'>ghoulsblade: </span>i still think the p2p aspect is a solution to a irrelevant problem. i just hope it doesn't prevent the rest from being done =)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:55:43) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>At least in my experience, we only had a 100mb to work with on our git hosting service, which is crazy</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:56:22) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Using git means that people should be able to pull from eachother. Which transport should it use, if not p2p?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#552a35">(17:56:31) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #552a35;'>ghoulsblade: </span>yeah, but that sounds like a hosting problem, which won't be affected by distribution systmes anyway</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:56:37) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Ssh? :P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:57:07) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>That was meant to come before your comment ghoulsblade</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#552a35">(17:57:17) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #552a35;'>ghoulsblade: </span>if you don't design the distribution system so that it supports games that don't support it, noone will use it anyway</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:57:18) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>It also creates conflicts... I make a texture which sits in my git, person a pulls from me and changes it, developer pulls from me and changes it.. everyone pulls from developer</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:57:21) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>and I guess SSH would be more acurate anyway</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(17:58:04) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>_Andrew, ... where's the conflict?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:58:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>ghoulsblade: Yep, the system has to be compatible with games, not the other way round, which is why a library isnt the best idea</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:58:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>does the way how the project decides to do version control actually have that much significance?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:59:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>_Andrew: Yeah, the content merging would be a bit of a problem. But I've thought of a few ways to solve it</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(17:59:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>nekotaku: Yep</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(17:59:31) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>Is your goal more artwork contributions?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:00:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Not necessarily. But most probably more modelling/maps/artwork (fun stuff, in other words :P) than serious code</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:00:34) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Minor code such as mods as well</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:00:51) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>But serious code could also be handled, but it would need more review</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:01:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>IMO you should look at streamlining media contribution</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:01:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>nekotaku: The version controll system is important, because it needs to be distributed, making it possible for people to have differing branches</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:02:20) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>you can just download the repository and do stuff, no matter what version control system the project uses</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:03:09) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>You want it to be &quot;one button&quot; so why not do something like dropbox where all the files are versioned. Then a developer can look at contributions on some developer website portal?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:03:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>nekotaku: But that wouldn't work in a system, it wouldn't track changes, or histories..</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:03:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>_Andrew, rather than being able to try those contributions instantly?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:03:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I don't quite see your point</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:04:05) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>And code would be managed over a normal VCS, I guess?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:04:41) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>forget code for a moment because it's getting complicated</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:04:50) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>_Andrew: Dropbox doesn't support file ratings, as far as I know..</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:05:15) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>What I mean is to use the dropbox client source, not dropbox server itself</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:05:16) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>_Andrew, well, of course you can tape and glue a personal solution for your project</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:05:26) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Ah</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:05:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Ok, I see what you mean</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:05:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Yeah, I do now, too :P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:05:57) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>Then you have a website portal with everyones contributions and people can vote them up</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:06:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Or even an application, rather than a website :S</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:07:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>But still, it eviscerates the project a bit.. It becomes purely a system for media contribution, albeit more integratable to something like FreeArtSearch or the like</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(18:07:40) </font></span><b><font size="3">czysetny [<i>n=czysta@sabr.com.pl</i>] kom in i rummet.</font></b><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:08:56) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>I just think that code contribution is pretty well done already</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:09:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>And if you want to build a community around it, it becomes just another community, if you get what I say</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:09:38) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>_Andrew, we'd still have an issue though</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:09:46) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>We'd have two systems: one for media, one for code</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:09:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Code contribution is well done if you have patience in getting in to the community</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:09:55) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>The system for code sucks for art</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:10:01) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>The system for art sucks for code</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:10:10) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>We need both under one roof :)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:10:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>that sounds sort of wrong :-P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:10:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>Doing so would leave you with a system which sucks for both code &amp; art</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:10:38) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>nekotaku, how so</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:10:51) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>_Andrew, not proven unless implemented!!!111oneoneone</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(18:12:11) </font></span><b><font size="3">quin lämnade rummet (quit: Remote closed the connection).</font></b><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:12:28) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>Sindwiller: because you first say that they are different things and suck if not used for their intended purposes, then you still want to use one system for both :-P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(18:12:53) </font></span><b><font size="3">quin [<i>n=a@b6ED.adsl.ecomtel.com.au</i>] kom in i rummet.</font></b><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:13:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>TheAncientGoat wants to make contribution easy, I don't think that's possible if an artist has to learn about vcs</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:13:31) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>For a programmer I understand because it's part of their job</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(18:14:02) </font></span><b><font size="3">qubodup [<i>n=qubodup@brln-4db901e9.pool.einsundeins.de</i>] kom in i rummet.</font></b><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:14:09) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>sup</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:14:15) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>But thats the magic of the system, you wouldn't need to know about vcs..</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:14:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>Indeed</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:14:47) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>double q attack~</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:15:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>That's why I suggest you look for something similar to a dropbox client, it' vcs but the user doesn't know</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:15:30) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Especially if we get tools that make coding/psuedo coding easy enough, even contributors of &quot;code&quot; wouldnt need to know</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:15:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>It takes a snapshot whenever the user changes the file</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#02184b">(18:15:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #02184b;'>qubodup: </span>hi</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:16:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>_Andrew, does it really work with more than 3-4 users though...?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:16:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>And how about branches?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:16:12) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>_Andrew: But how does it work with multiple users?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:16:24) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Hah, 11 second jinx</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:16:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>lol</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:16:55) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>Why wouldn't it work if everyone is contributing to their own branch?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:17:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>I thought that was the point</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:17:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Everyone is contributing to their own branch</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:17:38) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Not necessarily though :S</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:17:44) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>But there has to be a central release branch</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:18:01) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>So you pull from other branches ;D</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:18:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>I guess..</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:18:20) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>If you're just a user, not a contributor, yes, most likely :P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:18:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>If you're a contributor and not contributing to a major branch (original branch, mod branch), then, no</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:19:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Then you are really just releasing your own branch :P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:19:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>at least that's how I get it</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:19:16) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Objections?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:19:16) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>;P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:19:44) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>There's no reason you couldn't share media though</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:20:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>However now we're just talking about a git gui wrapper..</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:20:17) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Where?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:20:18) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>More or less :)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:20:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Oh, for the system..</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:20:30) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>_Andrew, the concept can be far beyond just a wrapper though</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:20:41) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>That's why I think it screams for IMPLEMENTATION</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:20:44) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>:=)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:20:49) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>Which brings me back to my first point.. how is that going to encourage users to contribute</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:20:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>I scream, you scream, we all scream for ice cream</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:20:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>:P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:21:01) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>_Andrew: Community</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:21:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>_Andrew, it's much easier</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:21:07) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>and community, heh</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:21:11) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>what if an outsider wanted to contribute to the official instance of a project, though? how would this solve that?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:21:34) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>nekotaku, an outsider as in somebody who doesn't have a acc in the system?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:21:38) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>respectively doesn't use the system?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:21:40) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>The devs browse the contributions, and pull from the best</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:22:17) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>nekotaku, or do you mean an outsider inside the system - well that's the whole point</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#062585">(18:22:23) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #062585;'><font size="3">***Sindwiller </font></span><font size="3">points at TheAncientGoat </font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:22:43) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>so basically it's just the old system in new clothes</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:23:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Which old system? Emailing patches?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:23:27) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>having stuff dumped to place X and letting the developers sort it out</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:24:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Having stuff dumped in place x, where the users rate and discuss it, and have the devs take what the people like</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:24:16) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>well, I guess it's still an improvement that you don't need to bug the developers all the time</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:24:28) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Heck, you could even automate it</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:24:38) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>they can take their time to integrate the stuff</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:24:43) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>Isn't that just deviantart with an open source swing?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:24:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>The users rate the current content, and if new content comes out with a better rating, it gets pulled automatically</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:24:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>And again</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:25:04) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Of course you could glue and tape yourself a solution from 100 individual parts</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:25:18) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>uh.. automatically?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:25:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>But WTF, do YOU use Linux From Scratch?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:25:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>TheAncientGoat, nah, that'd result in a mess</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:25:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>:p</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:25:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>*:P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:25:44) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>yeah, just wait for the sock puppets</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:25:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>It was just a random thought</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:25:59) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>well, it is interesting nonetheless</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:26:12) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>I wouldn't let automatically contributions into my project..</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:26:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>I don't know anyone that would..</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:26:22) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Me neither... if I was leading a project, that is</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:26:27) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>me neither. too high abuse potential</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:26:29) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>But it could be automated to the point where it shows &quot;This is the top rated content. Waiting dev approval&quot;</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:26:45) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>If the top content is being abused, dev says no</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:26:56) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>well, that would be OK, I think</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:27:12) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>But people still have enough power in the say, and it saves the devs the effort to sieve through everything</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:28:38) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I like this idea in principle. it actually makes sense and wouldn't be that hard to develop</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:29:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>What, having a client that uploads stuff to dropbox-like thing where they get rated to be contributed?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:30:18) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>yeah</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:30:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>But that was essentially what the p2p system was for, save that you didnt need to upload anything, and that it encompassed more than media</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:31:37) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I'm still not sure what it tried to be exactly</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:32:05) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>I think you need to define your goal for this better</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:32:39) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Today we talked about the contribution arc</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:33:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>I had it in multiple sections, the contribution, distribution and community arcs, each trying to achieve different objectives, for a common goal</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:33:41) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>You want to encourage contributions by way of users however (and we were talking about this on the forum) it's not even been established why people aren't contributing to open source as much as they do modded games</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:34:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Really? I thought it was pretty obvious...</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:34:34) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>There are various theories</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:34:50) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>popularity being the obvious one</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:35:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>And all the various theories are correct, as they don't contradict eachother</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:36:09) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>the contribution infrastructure won't solve the problem for good in any case</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:36:50) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>Listening to your ideas it seems your goals are quite big. Perhaps you should break it down into different projects</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#676e5a">(18:36:59) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #676e5a;'>dusted: </span>commercial games have a huge userbase, which encourages contribs</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:37:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>it was also mentioned that open source games are hard to mod</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#676e5a">(18:37:50) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #676e5a;'>dusted: </span>I'd like to see the percentage of people modding commercial games vs the percentage who have contributed to a opensource one</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#02184b">(18:38:07) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #02184b;'>qubodup: </span>dusted: is today a good day to bother you?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:38:12) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>You could have a project which focuses on media contribution, another which focuses on distribution, etc and work on how to put it all together in a way where it works.</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#676e5a">(18:38:34) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #676e5a;'>dusted: </span>qubodup, it was except I'm on my way out the door and don't have the games on my laptop</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(18:38:37) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">_Andrew: I agree with you 110%</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#02184b">(18:38:51) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #02184b;'>qubodup: </span>dusted: allright :)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:39:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>For example, the gnome project has numerous different projects..</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#676e5a">(18:39:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #676e5a;'>dusted: </span>It's on a yellow note on my deskop xD</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:39:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>_Andrew: Which is what I saw, and tried to do, by splitting up the project so. But having a single application to do all these things is central to the usage of the program, so I wasnt quite certain how to approach it</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:39:22) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>However they come together to make up the desktop</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:39:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I think I already suggested before that the thing should be split :-P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:39:31) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>_Andrew, well, that is one way to implement it. Then again, you could use GIT for code, dropbox for media, write yourself a PHP website for the rating, use torrents for distribution</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:39:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Voilà</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:40:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>The whole project is obsolete and we're in the status quo agian</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:40:04) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>*again</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:40:05) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>:P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:40:17) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>well, you can glue all those together when they are there</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:40:29) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Precisely</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:40:37) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>;P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(18:41:07) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">the thing is , we need to be the stuff that glues it all together in a good way</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:42:04) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Sindwiller: Well, sure, lets get cracking</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:42:12) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I'm more concerned about the project never happening because it's too huge and will take too long to become functional</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3b2a4f">(18:42:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3b2a4f;'>kiba: </span>sourceforge.net is facing competition from new code repoistory site like github</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:42:46) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>implement it in pieces and then put the pieces together</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3b2a4f">(18:43:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3b2a4f;'>kiba: </span>I prefer an incremental approach</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:43:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Sure, I agree with that fully</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:43:11) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>@ nekotaku</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3b2a4f">(18:43:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3b2a4f;'>kiba: </span>what you guys talking about?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:43:38) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>kiba: What do you mean by an incremental approach?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:43:40) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>&lt;nekotaku&gt; implement it in pieces and then put the pieces together &lt;--- that sounds good</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:43:41) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>not sure myself</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:43:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>splitting it up in a physical way would result in a mess though</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(18:43:55) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>:)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#02184b">(18:44:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #02184b;'>qubodup: </span>kiba: sf.net is much more than what github provides</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3b2a4f">(18:44:26) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3b2a4f;'>kiba: </span>sourceforge.net doesn't have pastie</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#342478">(18:44:34) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #342478;'>shawn42: </span>qubodup: for now, it will add more features</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3b2a4f">(18:44:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3b2a4f;'>kiba: </span>and you can comment on the source code</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3b2a4f">(18:44:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3b2a4f;'>kiba: </span>and you can watch other people source code</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:45:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>\o/ another utility</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:45:17) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>that was worth a night of fun</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3b2a4f">(18:45:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3b2a4f;'>kiba: </span>it is a lot harder to fork a sourceforge project</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3b2a4f">(18:45:27) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3b2a4f;'>kiba: </span>than a github project</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:45:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>SF is a pita</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:45:37) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>:(</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3b2a4f">(18:45:47) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3b2a4f;'>kiba: </span>github actually have a &quot;fork&quot; button</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#02184b">(18:45:51) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #02184b;'>qubodup: </span>kiba: does github have a mb limit?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3b2a4f">(18:46:22) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3b2a4f;'>kiba: </span>only a soft limit</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:46:22) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>It sounds like what you want is jamendo for 3d and 2d artwork?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3b2a4f">(18:46:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3b2a4f;'>kiba: </span>just ask for more</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3b2a4f">(18:46:28) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3b2a4f;'>kiba: </span>if you need it</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:46:58) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>With communication to pull from top rated contributions</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#02184b">(18:47:26) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #02184b;'>qubodup: </span>kiba: I'm pretty hooked up on trac right now though. assembla is the only one that provides git+trac AFAIK</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:47:58) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>i like trac too :) even though i don't use it extensively</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:48:07) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>I like github too, actually</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:48:10) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>assembla is a hot place</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:48:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>the nice thing is they offer svn/hg/git etc.</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:48:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>And assembla, to an extent</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3b2a4f">(18:48:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3b2a4f;'>kiba: </span>qubodup: for my bugtracking need, I just use lighthouse app</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#02184b">(18:48:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #02184b;'>qubodup: </span>if trac had a plugin for vanilla forums and some rss news thing, it would rock</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3b2a4f">(18:48:44) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3b2a4f;'>kiba: </span>you can do a little integration through service hooks</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#02184b">(18:48:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #02184b;'>qubodup: </span>kiba: what's lighthouse?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:48:58) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>_Andrew: jamendo for artwork? No, thats not what I want</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#02184b">(18:49:04) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #02184b;'>qubodup: </span>kiba: link plz</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:49:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>qubodup:  ever tried google?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#02184b">(18:49:46) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #02184b;'>qubodup: </span>bughunter2: &quot;lighthouse&quot; - sure</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:49:47) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>goo what?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#480e5a">(18:49:49) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #480e5a;'>_Andrew: </span>:P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:49:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>qubodup: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/b2zhnt">http://tinyurl.com/b2zhnt</a></font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:50:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>it works</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3b2a4f">(18:50:11) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3b2a4f;'>kiba: </span>bugtracker</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3b2a4f">(18:50:15) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3b2a4f;'>kiba: </span><a href="http://www.lighthouseapp.com/">http://www.lighthouseapp.com/</a></font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(18:50:23) </font></span><b><font size="3">barra_library [<i>n=barra@g226230152.adsl.alicedsl.de</i>] kom in i rummet.</font></b><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#02184b">(18:50:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #02184b;'>qubodup: </span><a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=lighthouse">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=lighthouse</a></font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#02184b">(18:50:27) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #02184b;'>qubodup: </span><a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=lighthouse">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=lighthouse</a></font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#02184b">(18:50:28) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #02184b;'>qubodup: </span><a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=lighthouse">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=lighthouse</a></font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:50:29) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>why spoonfeed</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:50:31) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>nubs</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:50:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>lol</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#062585">(18:51:17) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #062585;'><font size="3">***Tranberry </font></span><font size="3">feeds bughunter2 a big spoon of lol</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:51:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>oh yah</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:51:26) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>i like those</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#02184b">(18:51:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #02184b;'>qubodup: </span>kiba: is the github/lighthouseapp software open source?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3b2a4f">(18:53:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3b2a4f;'>kiba: </span>Hmm?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:53:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>by reading their website i'd say it's closed source ;)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3b2a4f">(18:53:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3b2a4f;'>kiba: </span>doesn't seem to be</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3b2a4f">(18:53:29) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3b2a4f;'>kiba: </span>but sourceforge is not open source anyway</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:53:37) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>if you want foss go gna</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:53:40) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span><a href="http://www.gna.org">www.gna.org</a></font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:55:27) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Can someone log this convo btw?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:55:50) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>TheAncientGoat: sure</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:56:11) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>with the emphasis on can</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:56:17) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>:P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(18:56:46) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Or at least save a log, and host it somewhere.. Tranberry, could you maybe put it on your ftp?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:57:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>if you do that, you have to modify the topic</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font color="#204a87"><font size="2">(18:57:03) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">what where TheAncientGoat?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:57:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>according to freenode rules you must state that people are logged</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:57:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>(which i agree with)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:57:45) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>Bug, not as a permanent thing</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:58:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>i see</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:58:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>I just want to save this conversation for reference</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:58:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>you're being logged by head all the time :-P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:58:11) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>i see</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#4b1c53">(18:58:18) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #4b1c53;'>TheAncientGoat: </span>On the development programme</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:58:26) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>nekotaku: yeah, but that's still different than a public log posted everywhere</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#062585">(18:59:06) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #062585;'><font size="3">***bughunter2 </font></span><font size="3">sees nekotaku actually ended his sentence with ':-P'</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:59:06) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>..</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:59:21) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>it would if I didn't recite the logs with a megaphone every day</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:59:40) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>lol</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:59:47) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>actualy it still is</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(18:59:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>:P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(19:00:09) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>in situation 1) a public log is on the internet, situation 2) you're using a megaphone</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(19:00:10) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>:P:P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:00:24) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>well, yeah :-P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#676e5a">(19:01:04) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #676e5a;'>dusted: </span>qubodup, I have some time tonight anyway it seems, how'd you like me to compare them? simply going into the game and capturing some players running around and shooting?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#503274">(19:01:42) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #503274;'>barra_library: </span>heya guys</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(19:01:49) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>hey barra :)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#676e5a">(19:01:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #676e5a;'>dusted: </span>hi</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#552a35">(19:01:56) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #552a35;'>ghoulsblade: </span>hi</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#503274">(19:02:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #503274;'>barra_library: </span>just set up basic structure for PARPG blog yesterday</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(19:02:05) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>ah glorify, our welcome commitee</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(19:02:06) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>:P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#0b2c5f">(19:02:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #0b2c5f;'>bughunter2: </span>+t</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#503274">(19:02:45) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #503274;'>barra_library: </span>I would like to have the most important content that is of public interest at the blog, at summarized versions of it</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#503274">(19:02:55) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #503274;'>barra_library: </span>here's an example: <a href="http://parpg.fifengine.de/wordpress/">http://parpg.fifengine.de/wordpress/</a></font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#503274">(19:03:20) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #503274;'>barra_library: </span>(about, downloads, help wanted, svn &amp; trac)</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#503274">(19:03:47) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #503274;'>barra_library: </span>any other articles that should be shown at the blog itself and not only at the wiki or does that cover the most important information?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#503274">(19:04:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #503274;'>barra_library: </span>the articles are not written yet, just asking about if they warrant to be shown at the blog</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#02184b">(19:04:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #02184b;'>qubodup: </span>dusted: the best thing would be to have similar perspective comparisons of animations while the background is somewhat neutral</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#02184b">(19:04:22) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #02184b;'>qubodup: </span>dusted: you could try to use the third person view for that</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#676e5a">(19:04:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #676e5a;'>dusted: </span>yep</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#676e5a">(19:05:04) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #676e5a;'>dusted: </span>maybe it'd be easier to simply open the model files in some editor and compare the animations there</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#02184b">(19:05:05) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #02184b;'>qubodup: </span>Sindwiller: if you are given the files that contain animations of q3 or trem models, would you be able to play these animations back (or explain how I could do it)?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#02184b">(19:05:16) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #02184b;'>qubodup: </span>dusted: do you know how to do that?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#02184b">(19:05:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #02184b;'>qubodup: </span>and yes, this is probably much better an idea</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#676e5a">(19:05:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #676e5a;'>dusted: </span>not really but it can't be hard to do</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#02184b">(19:05:39) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #02184b;'>qubodup: </span>I just have no clue about q3 model/anim file formats</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#676e5a">(19:06:10) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #676e5a;'>dusted: </span>I only know they are md3 and that the pak files are zips, but that ought to be enough</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#02184b">(19:06:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #02184b;'>qubodup: </span>is anyone here experienced in opening q3 model/anims?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#676e5a">(19:06:38) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #676e5a;'>dusted: </span>mm3d - OpenGL based 3D model editor on debian might be :P</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(19:06:47) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>dusted, how so?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(19:06:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Aren't there MD3 importers for Blender?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#470b7e">(19:06:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #470b7e;'>Sindwiller: </span>:S</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#02184b">(19:07:12) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #02184b;'>qubodup: </span>Sindwiller: do they import animations?</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#676e5a">(19:07:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #676e5a;'>dusted: </span>mm3d will work</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#676e5a">(19:07:46) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #676e5a;'>dusted: </span>i think, it can play animations from quake2 models anyway</font><br>

<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#676e5a">(19:08:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #676e5a;'>dusted: </span>I'll give it a try</font>

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<P><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>14:25</B></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(02:26:20
PM) </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3><B>The topic for #freegamer is:
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PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>haaai everyone</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(09:00:14
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Yo Sindwiller</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#55b8bf"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(09:00:19
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#55b8bf"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Taldor:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>hi Sindwiller</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(09:01:07
PM) </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#dd6d29"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(09:21:07
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#dd6d29"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">CIA-37:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>scourge: gabortorok * r3037
/trunk/scourge_data/ (3 files in 3 dirs): chimney smoke</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(09:21:24
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>ghoulsblade, so, did X3 TC
finish? ;o</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#3668f2"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(09:21:53
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#3668f2"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">ghoulsblade:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>hehe, not even started yet =)
was playing lately and couldn't spare the bandwidth</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(09:21:58
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>ah k</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(09:22:00
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>:)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(09:22:07
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>grab it while it's
hot</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(09:22:08
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>;P</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(09:22:58
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Tranberry: Awake?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>22:00</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:01:28
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Tranberry:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: I was awake
yes</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:01:39
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>just not about</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:02:04
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Ah, cool. How goes?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:02:25
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>well I guess, and
you?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:03:09
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Well, it goes :P</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:03:22
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>What are you brewing
then?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>22:05</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:05:17
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Ideas, as always</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:05:43
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Illicit stuff huh?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:06:02
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>what ideas do you got, I love
ideas</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:06:35
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>I don't think I've mentioned this
one before, at least not to the fgd community</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:07:02
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>hit us!</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:07:03
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>:D</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:07:24
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>A new version control system,
designed with open source games in mind.</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:07:46
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>what problem will it
ease?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:08:05
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>or in what way will it be
different</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:08:09
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Cheating. Hosting, Contribution
and quality controll</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:08:31
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>And community, to some
degree</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:09:38
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>You don't have a design doc for
me?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>22:10</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:10:11
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>I haven't gotten as far as a
structured design doc yet. </FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:10:20
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>But I know pretty much how it will
be implemented</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:10:46
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Well, a few different ways of it
to be implemented</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:11:51
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>I would love a bare minimum non
tech design doc, if you do not mind? I'll give you a year to complete
it ;D</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:12:45
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Well, can I shoot the basic idea
to you in a non structured method for the moment? </FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:14:32
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>sure</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>22:15</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:18:27
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>The system will use p2p git
version control system that we have been working on in plexus to
distribute the games and source. Because every game install is viewed
as a git branch, it can be diffed to check for inconsistencies
between the main version, reducing cheating by modification to some
extent (its not perfect, but it's a lot more than has been done
before..).. Because of the git and p2p systems, it is very easy to
contribute to projects too, as you don't have to worry about commit
access.</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:19:24
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Sindwiller:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat, yeah, GIT is
really the way to go :)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:19:28
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Also, using something similar to
the nepomuk system, every file in the game can be rated, sothat devs
can see which content people like and not</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:19:58
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Well, git or anything that is
distributed and fast to diff</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>22:20</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:20:36
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>_Andrew, I usually play with a
particular bunch of players tbh :)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:20:41
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Tranberry:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: I'm copy pasting
this</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:22:17
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Tranberry: Cool man</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:22:25
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>_Andrew:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: This game
distribution idea sounds good</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:22:33
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Yup</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:22:42
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Torrent-style - LEGAL
:P</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:22:53
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Yep. </FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:23:38
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>I can't think there are lots of
other games legally distributed over p2p</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:23:58
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>I've never seen a foss game use
it, actually, which is surprising</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#cf585d"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:24:05
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#cf585d"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">_Andrew:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>I think it would be better just
to package the games though and use the deb p2p bit torrent
thing</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:24:25
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Oh yeah, there's that</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#cf585d"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:24:26
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#cf585d"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">_Andrew:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>or whatever packaging is
platform independent</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:24:35
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Well, basically</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:24:46
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>It'd be good if there was a
platform independant way of games distribution</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:24:49
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>similar to DJL</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:24:54
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>just a bit more
mature</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:24:59
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>and P2P etc. :)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>22:25</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:25:23
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>But the thing is, this is platform
Independent, it encourages contribution, and it gives dev feedback to
their work</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#cf585d"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:26:38
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#cf585d"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">_Andrew:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>How is it going to be done, are
you going to download the code and compile in the users machine
behind a graphical frontend?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:27:01
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Yeah, Sindwiller I thought of it
when looking at the DJL system.. I thought that the linking they use
isn't an ideal situation...</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:27:33
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>_Andrew: Well, it could use an
autocompiler, but there are many ways..</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:28:33
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>We could use other installers too,
but having access to the source is the ideal solution</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>22:30</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:30:40
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>I haven't quite gotten to the
installation part of the equation yet, it could also use statified
binaries like DJL does</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:31:51
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Or you can even have multiple
distributions, because of the p2p distribution system, you can track
pretty much anything</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:32:18
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>So you can have a deb release and
a yum release and a binary release</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>22:35</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:35:03
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Although you won't be able to use
the extra features then, as they'd pretty much need to be compiled
from source</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#cf585d"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:35:48
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#cf585d"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">_Andrew:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Pretty interesting</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#cf585d"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:36:50
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#cf585d"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">_Andrew:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Have you done any
implementation yet?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:37:30
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Well, plexus was touching on
it</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:37:39
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>The git p2p version
control</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:37:51
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>But I'm not the coder, you
see</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#cf585d"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:38:08
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#cf585d"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">_Andrew:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>oh right</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:39:25
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>But the thing is, it all relies on
existing technologies, they just need to be integrated
correctly</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>22:40</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#cf585d"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:41:09
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#cf585d"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">_Andrew:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>yup</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#cf585d"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:41:22
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#cf585d"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">_Andrew:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>It sounds do-able</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:42:24
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Well, getting the system working
is the first step</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:43:37
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>On top of that, something
Launchpad or sourceforge like could be built, to interface with the
program. Bug tracking, suggestions, forums for the games, user
profiles, etc. But that is a tad more ambitious</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:44:07
PM) </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3><B>shawn__
[</B></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><I><B>n=shawn42@63.160.65.14</B></I></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><B>]
entered the room.</B></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:44:29
PM) </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3><B>shawn__ left the room (quit:
Remote closed the connection).</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>22:50</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:51:39
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>The other cool thing is, one can
make this system act like a very basic development environment, too.
</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:52:50
PM) </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3><B>teddy__ [</B></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><I><B>n=teddy@75.81.19.164</B></I></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><B>]
entered the room.</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:52:52
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>I think that's the crucial
point</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:53:57
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>the one you have to start with
- thinking of it as both a development environment and a (simple)
distribution system</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>22:55</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:57:13
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Buttons to launch or install
suitable programs to modify content (blender/wings/gimp etc.), along
with tutorials, lists of things that need to be made/improved, and
maybe a stand alone code editor could are all possibilities</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:58:37
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>yus</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:58:57
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>I wouldn't make it too source
code centric. finding a solution to run-time and compile-time
dependency problems, people who don't have all the required compilers
and tools installed, etc. will probably be a bigger headache than
compiling binaries</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:59:27
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku, it doesn't have to be
Gentoo-like, as in, soruce code centric, as you may call it
:)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:59:53
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Binaries WILL be distributed,
of course</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(10:59:56
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>No doubt</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>23:00</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:00:30
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Distributed and statified,
even</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:00:54
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>naturally, source code can
still exist as an option for those who want to compile from source. I
don't think most people do, though</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:01:15
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Along with built in
troubleshooting functionality</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:01:50
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>(we have sorted out many game
related bugs in djl, it is a pretty cool feature) </FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:02:14
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku, the point is to give
developers to distribute betas and branches more easily and change
stuff blah blah blah blah blah</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:02:37
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Nobody's talking about forcing
people to compile games from source :/</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:03:09
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Normal users will simply leech
and seed games through P2P-GIT (or something :P) and that's
it</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>23:05</B></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:07:10
PM) </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3><B>teddy_ left the room (quit:
Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:07:34
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>The thing is, I want to create a
larger contributor to leecher ratio here </FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:07:46
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>How would we go about doing
that?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:09:07
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Seeding servers :P</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:09:49
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>No, not a seeder/leacher
ratio</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>23:10</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:10:11
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>A content producing to content
consuming ratio</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>23:15</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:16:31
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Tranberry:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: I think a easier
submit system will help a lot</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:18:35
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>look at youtube, deviantart and
jamendo</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:18:38
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Yeah, SVN is a mission to submit
to. Using a distributed version with P2P would make it infinitely
easier, I'd think</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:19:20
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Heck, at those sites you have to
upload and log in and everything, here it is even easier</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:19:43
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>All you need to do is have the
files on your pc, run the program and you're set</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>23:20</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:20:38
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>If people like your stuff, they
can pull from you, and so your content grows</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:21:59
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>That means a gallery
too</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:22:15
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>sorry I have not read thru the
log</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:23:08
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>A gallery of your content? Maybe,
but not neccesarily</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:23:16
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>the simple thing about youtube
is that you don't need to setup anything beside a form, no download
no set path etc etc</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:23:17
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>It is a good idea though</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:24:03
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Yeah, I guess so, but it does have
the advantage of being a website, haha</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:24:19
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>I'm just trying to understand
why they do work</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>23:25</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:25:30
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>They work because they give people
the chance of have 5 minutes of fame</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:25:52
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>yes I think open source do
too</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:25:52
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>They play on people's psychology
more than their technical prowess</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:26:03
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>just a lot harder to
contribute</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:26:55
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Tranberry: Not to the same
extent.. Maybe to a certain niche, but opensource is more about
contributing to the community, whilst youtube etc. is more
egocentric</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:26:57
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>to contribute you need to be
somewhat tech savy</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:27:12
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>yes I agree</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:27:26
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Also, youtube doesn't release the
vids as CC</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:27:31
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>but still you almost need to be
a dev to contibute art, sound</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:27:33
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Neither does DE</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:27:46
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>And they are more successful than
Jamendo etc.</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:27:53
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>DE?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:28:05
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Deviant Art, sorry</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:28:09
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>DA do have support for
CC</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:28:14
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Yeah, they do</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:28:21
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>just that noone</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:28:31
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>But I don't think the majority
makes use of it</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:29:07
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>use it, or add random selfmade
licens stuff. That probably won't hold in court but still</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:29:13
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Because they have aspirations of
making money from their art, or being hired by animation countries
etc</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:29:34
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>animation countries</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:29:40
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>countries</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:29:41
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>&gt;&lt;</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:29:43
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Still I think it is to hard to
help project in OSS</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:29:53
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>I amaze myself
sometimes</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>23:30</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:30:02
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>contributing to open source
projects isn't *that* hard :-|</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:30:08
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Yeah Tranberry, that is one
thing</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:30:25
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>It isn't /that/ hard, but it isn't
that easy either</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:30:33
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>And I think there are lessons
to be learnd by non OSS projects</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:30:49
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>I mean I still don't think
it</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:30:52
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>'s</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:30:55
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Distributed version control does
make it a lot easier to contribute though</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:30:56
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>finding a good project might be
hard, but doing something useful isn't once you get past
that</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:30:57
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>easy to use SVN</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:31:19
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>It isn't exactly easy to use git
either</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:31:39
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>So that is def something to work
on</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:31:43
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>many geekish stuff that get
thrown in your face and might scare you</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:32:50
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku: Yes, finding the right
project is the biggest jump, but with svn you either need commit
rights, or you need to use tarballs and patches, and that is faaar
from ideal</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:33:05
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>or find a forum</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:33:17
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>and a forum is absolutly not an
ideal solution</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:33:37
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Finding the forum is easy, imo.
Getting the support + reqs and everything from the people there
isn't</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:34:38
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Yes it is easy if the project
manager thinks a community is good</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>23:35</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:35:31
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>and then you stumble upon a
forum like SF.net's and that will make you just close the
browser..</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:35:36
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Well, that's a pretty big if
though</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:35:57
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Yeah, I haven't seen one usefull
SF forum yet..</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:36:25
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>SF is a nightmare in my opinion
as of now</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:37:02
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Yep, I haven't seen/used any other
features save downloading code</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:37:59
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Tranberry:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: I rambled so much
I forgot if you had another idea how to solve the contributor
issue?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:39:16
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>well, the barriers of entry
depend on what you want to do. in case of code, you'll have to learn
to make patches, but if you contribute, say, design or release
engineering skills, getting started should be pretty easy</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:39:55
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Make it easy to contribute. Give
rewards to people who contribute (contributor points, amount you
contribute * average rating of your contributions). Feature
contributors on blogs and the like, sothat they get a bit of that
fame aspect too</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>23:40</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:40:01
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>learning how the project works
might be problematic, but actually doing things isn't</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:40:38
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku: I think it's the
other way around (if I did not missunderstand you). If you are a
programer you know about SVN, git, bazaar etc.. and you are
interested in OSS almost by default.</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:40:57
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku: Yes, which is why the
distributed system cuts out that first part</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:41:09
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Tranberry:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: That I think is a
very good point in motivation</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:42:25
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Tranberry: People love
achievements, points etc. Getting a large enough playerbase to make
these matter might be an issue, but I think it could work</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:43:16
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Tranberry:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: That is what I
have been thinking about too, I think you are right on
track</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:43:43
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>but who will hand out the
rewards?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:44:19
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku: In fact something
like freegamer would be a good start I guess</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>23:45</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:46:54
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku: I hope I'm not to
offencive :D</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:48:07
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>often, the contribution is just
silently dropped to the repository because there is no one who takes
care of publicity stuff of projects, and it doesn't look like a lot
of people are interested in project management to help with things
like that</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:48:47
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku: yes I agree there is
a lack in good project management</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:49:40
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku: Well, you have the
system in itself, which can track contributions and can update your
profile accordingly. And then for the interviews etc. something like
FreeGameDev could do it. Forum banners could also
work</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>23:50</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:50:09
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Tranberry:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: that is even
better</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:50:32
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>but you also want to flash with
your sweet achivements</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:50:59
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>that's why I suggested
something external</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:51:04
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Sindwiller:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>&lt;TheAncientGoat&gt; Make it
easy to contribute. Give rewards to people who contribute
(contributor points, amount you contribute * average rating of your
contributions). Feature contributors on blogs and the like, sothat
they get a bit of that fame aspect too &lt;--- kinda like
ohloh</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:52:00
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Sindwiller: yes it is, but
ohloh don't yet care much for non-code</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:52:29
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>That's why I said &quot;kind of
like Ohloh&quot; :)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:52:29
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Yar, but people who contribute to
ohloh have outgrown epeni (what a metaphor, hah), while gamers in
general love them </FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:52:44
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>At least in my oppinion</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:53:19
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>I don't know how proud ohloh
contributors are of their contrib points, but still</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:53:48
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Ohloh is just a gimmick to me,
anyway :)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:54:14
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>ohloh is not used by enough
people to be as good as it should be</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>23:55</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:57:09
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Tranberry:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: I hope you are
writing stuff down</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:57:13
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Yeah, Ohloh isn't utilized to the
extent that it should</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:57:24
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>I log my irc :D</FONT><BR><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:57:57
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>I'm looking forward to the
design doc XD</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:58:05
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>And I'll tidly wiki my design
dock</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#062585"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:58:59
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#062585"><FONT SIZE=3><B>***Sindwiller
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>disappears</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:59:32
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>btw this is the best _on-topic_
discussin I have followed here in the last 6 month</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(11:59:59
PM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Tranberry, then again, you're
not too often on here ;P</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>00:00</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01/13/2009
12:00:01 AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>yes</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:00:06
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>lol</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:00:10
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku: ^</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:00:46
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Well, let us hope that something
can become of it..</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:01:12
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>There I go again, hah</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:01:39
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>As long as you can assemble a
doc I think some good will come out of it</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:01:59
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>you or we*</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:02:07
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Well, hopefully I can dig up some
existing documentation on the p2p git system</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:02:23
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Then I'll just model the rest
around that</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:02:38
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Sindwiller: what discussions do
you remember that where good and on-topic?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:02:46
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Tranberry:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: sounds
good</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>00:05</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:06:28
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Sindwiller: !</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:07:24
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Tranberry, *scratches
head*</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:07:42
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>(I actually have to write an
essay :S)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:07:43
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>uhh</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:07:43
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>ha!</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:07:45
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>:D</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:08:30
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>YAY</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:08:31
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>IRC is shallow because everyone
posts the deep stuff on the forums</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:08:43
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>and because it's IRC</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:08:49
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>hello bughunter2</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:08:50
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Internet Delay Chat</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:08:59
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>hey folks!</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:09:00
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>hai bughunter2 :)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:09:07
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>feels great,</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:09:11
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>i just cancelled a boring
project</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:09:16
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>(paid too, but hey..
..:P)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:09:19
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>;o</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:09:21
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Wut</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:09:27
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>What was it about
etc.</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:09:28
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku: yeah, but once in a
while there are stuff that matters here</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:09:37
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>i cared more for learning
valuable things than coding a boring lousy website for
someone</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:09:56
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>heh</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>00:10</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:10:17
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>since, if i just get that one
day of valuable learning time, it might make a bigger change than
working on something boring</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:10:24
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>and also i just really didn't
want to do boring crap</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:10:27
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>:/</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:10:38
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>it's just too hard to do boring
stuff, noone ever experience that?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:10:55
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>bughunter2: I did something
similar not far off</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:10:56
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>I've always thought making a
version of irc where you can save certain comments, have multi thread
conversation filtering etc would be cool</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:11:09
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>bughunter2:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: create one
:D</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:11:12
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>that'd be cool</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:11:19
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>yeah it would</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:11:25
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Tranberry: nice, it's the right
decision</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:11:35
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>IRC2.0 hah</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:12:48
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>anyway, if something good comes
out of the distributed thing and you need a GTK GUI for it, I could
code one</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:13:05
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>I haven't had a good side
project in a while</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:13:36
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>I don't know, all of linux's gui
systems don't really tickle me</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:13:52
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>well they're not bad
either</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:14:03
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>If only they had something like a
flash ui designer XD (joke)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:14:04
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>I'd say QT though</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:14:05
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>you'll have to use one
regardless :-P</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#062585"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:14:11
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#062585"><FONT SIZE=3><B>***Sindwiller
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>runs</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:14:24
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>It doesn't look like ass under
GNOME at least</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:14:37
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>QT doesn't press my buttons
either</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:14:50
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>***Sindwiller
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>presses TheAncientGoat's
buttons</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:14:54
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>lol</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>00:15</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:15:25
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>If anybody says Tck/Tcl, I'm
going to have to defenstrate him or her out of the channel</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:15:29
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>it's either GTK or nothing if
you want my help because I don't know QT :-P</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:15:30
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Sindwiller: did'nt know you
swing that way</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:15:43
AM) </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3><B>daspork
[</B></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><I><B>n=daspork@24-158-106-242.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com</B></I></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><B>]
entered the room.</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:15:46
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Actually</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:16:04
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Starting the old *nix way
shouldn't be bad either</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:16:06
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>it's no problem
Sindwiller</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:16:12
AM) </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3><B>KIAaze
[</B></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><I><B>n=KIAaze@p4FF659FE.dip.t-dialin.net</B></I></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><B>]
entered the room.</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:16:16
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>you are who you are</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:16:20
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>starting with a console
interface</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:16:24
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>You might have just accidentally
begun the countdown to the end of the universe, Sind</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:16:24
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Tranberry, ;P</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:16:33
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>o_O</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:16:34
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Sindwiller: :-*</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:16:40
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>WHAT HAVE I DONE</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:16:48
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>No seriously, what *HAVE* I
done? :?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:17:21
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>buttons.... right</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:17:22
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>:P</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:17:52
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Anyway, gui wise, I'd like
something interesting, and I fear neither GTK ot QT can provide it..
Although a working draft would be cool for either</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:18:24
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Whatever you choose to do, do
not choose Java's GUI though</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:18:30
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>(or Java as a language,
respectively)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:18:48
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>nekotaku:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: are you a world
domination personality by any chance? :-P</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:19:05
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Unfortunately, that is where I am
most skilled in Sindwiller</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:19:24
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Sindwiller: amen</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:19:32
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku: I don't have the
personality, I do have the ideas </FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:19:43
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>the java GUI is pretty bad :/
(not very usable / not very good OS integration)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:19:44
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>btw, does anybody here remember
the time when this channel was created on my request and then only
around 5 people hanged out in here? ;D</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:19:50
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>I hope this don't stall in a
preference war.</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>00:20</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:20:05
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Sindwiller:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>&lt;TheAncientGoat&gt; nekotaku: I
don't have the personality, I do have the ideas &lt;--- tell me about
it :)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:20:08
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>it's not just preference,
programming in Java could be, but the GUI itself shouldn't
be</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:20:14
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>we all know Qt can do
more</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:20:29
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>(or GTK, for that
matter)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:20:35
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Nope, I really don't care in what
language it is programmed or what gui toolkit it uses</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:20:39
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>And it doesn't look like ass.
And it doesn't crash as often for no apparent reason.</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:21:15
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>that being said, i don't like
religious wars over toolkits, all have their use</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:21:15
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Yeah, bughunter, the ui def
wouldn't be in java, it just doesn't offer anything</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:21:44
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Unless we plan on releasing it for
Windows *dun dun duuun*</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:22:12
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>***Sindwiller
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>slaps TheAncientGoat around a bit with
a large trout</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:22:18
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>you could go hardcore and do a
backend-frontend model that supports multiple toolkits :-P</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:22:19
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>*Nix and FOSS OS's come
first</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:22:25
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>thinking on portability would
be msart though</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:22:32
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku, respectively a
console interface first</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:22:34
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku: that is not a bad
idea in itself</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:22:43
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>but work that is done shouldn't
have to be repeated</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:22:51
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>just help GTK for example if
you're not happy with e.g. it's Win32 support</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>00:25</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:25:04
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>A console interface is an idea..
But it would change the structure of the code..</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:25:35
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>At least make it more low level
than it could be</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:25:47
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Well, I had some kind of
communication protocol in mind.... *shrugs*</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:26:03
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Naaaah</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:26:31
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>console isn't too yummy for
trying out ideas and such</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:26:33
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>What was it?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:27:03
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Yeah nekotaku, you have to know
pretty much exactly what you plan to do</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:27:23
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>as with anything</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:27:29
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>well</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:27:33
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>if you replace have with
'should', that is</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:27:54
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>yes planing ahead equals
smart</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:28:04
AM) </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3><B>DGMurdockIII
[</B></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><I><B>n=name@208-70-41-86.bb.hrtc.net</B></I></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><B>]
entered the room.</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:28:41
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>but sometimes the plan doesn't
work out, especially if you're doing new and exciting
things</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(12:29:43
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku:
true</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>00:30</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>01:05</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:05:31
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>So, anything else that anyone
wants to say about the p2p distribution/contribtion system, or can I
do a final log and start editing?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:08:34
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Taldor:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: what about games
with plugins, like wesnoth?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:09:25
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Good point. Plugins can also be
managed in a p2p environment</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>01:10</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:10:03
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>But they should also install fine
in the usual way</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:10:38
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Just make the branch controll
ignore the plugins folder for checking..</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:11:09
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Taldor:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: and what if i
write a cheat plugin?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:12:30
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Well any game that supports
plugins already has that problem, and they deal with it in their own
ways. If the cheat is outside of an ignored folder, it will be picked
up by the diff</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:13:42
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Taldor:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: maybe you could
add something like an 'approved plugins' system</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>01:15</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:15:19
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Yep, that could work. Have a
branch that pulls all non cheat plugins, and compare those to the
player's plugins</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:16:07
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Taldor:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: (unrelated to
plugins) and what i alter my diff tool to always return the expected
result so i can change everything i want?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:16:47
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>It will be based on git.. It has
some serious hashes to check data</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:17:27
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Taldor:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: what if i replace
git?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:17:45
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>In the end, the system wouldn't be
unbeatable, but it will make the amount of effort it takes to break
it a lot more than what you'd get out of it</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#55b8bf"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:18:09
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#55b8bf"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Taldor:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>ok</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:18:20
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Replace git? It would be pretty
central to the whole system, so it would kinda break it</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:18:54
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>And anyway, nothing stops the
people from running the game outside of the system, so it won't be
able to stop cheating completely</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#55b8bf"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:19:39
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#55b8bf"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Taldor:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>ok</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:19:40
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Well, unless devs make their games
work on the system soley..</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:19:55
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>But that won't necessarily
happen</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:19:57
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>If the server would be running
a modified Q3 server for example, the server could kick non-system
users for example</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>01:20</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:20:16
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Yeah, that could also
work</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:20:17
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>like it happens for PunkBuster
in more modern games</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:21:26
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>That could be bypassed, and
PunkBuster is a bit intrusive for my tastes..</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:21:48
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>A kick can be
bypassed?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:22:04
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>no point to bother with cheat
prevention if the game is not designed cheat proof, IMO</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:22:11
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>No, but the system that detects
who gets kicked can be</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:22:21
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Ya, I get it now :)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:22:32
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>if you can cheat with a client
side plug-in, there's something seriously wrong with the
design</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:23:37
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku: yeah, lots of games are
designed properly, but something like this only increases their
security..</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>01:25</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:25:17
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>And it appears user-friendly
and hip if done correctly :D</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:25:31
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>it's useless if the game is
designed well :-P</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:25:48
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>*shrugs*</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:25:49
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>:P</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:26:36
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku: Well, it can at least be
used for statistics and the like. Which files do users change, are
they up to date etc..</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:27:41
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>yeah, but as a cheat prevention
method it's actually pretty pointless</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:27:47
AM) </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3><B>Hory left the room (quit:
&quot;http://storygames.org/ - A Manifesto for Meaningful Interactive
Entertainment&quot;).</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:29:03
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>I don't know, detecting modified
files is pretty usefull, imo</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>01:30</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:31:05
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>but if you try to prevent
cheating with it and the client is open source, the client can be,
most likely even pretty easily, changed so that it diffs a different
set of files instead of ones it's using</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:32:33
AM) </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3><B>zipola left the room (quit:
&quot;Abiit.&quot;).</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:32:49
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>The thing is, it won't be the
client that calls the diff</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:33:13
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>It won't even be a diff in normal
terms</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>01:35</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:35:05
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>it doesn't matter what kind of
diff it is because ultimately you have to consult the client itself
about what files it's using</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:37:10
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>if you ask the client for the
place where it got the files, it can lie about it. if you ask it to
host a branch so that you can diff against that, it can host a
different one, etc.</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:38:44
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>When you take the install
directory as a git branch, it tracks all of the changes in the branch
automatically. If you are running the client from another place, or
have messed around with the git config file, the rest of the features
won't work, and you could just as well run the game outside of the
client</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:39:51
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Taldor:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: but as i said,
it's easy to replace git, and make a script that seems to act like
git, but allows cheats</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>01:40</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:40:33
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Not really. Because as I said, git
uses some crazy hashes and stuff for security measures</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:40:49
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Taldor:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: shall i make an
example script?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:41:22
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>you can just copy the hashes
and stuff from the officially blessed repo</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:43:25
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Mmm.. Would that work?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:43:36
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>I gues..</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:43:40
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>guess*</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:44:23
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>But then what prevents people from
massacring git repo's?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>01:45</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:46:06
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Or at least masquerading as
them</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:47:04
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>if the project is centralized,
then the central repo is likely protected with normal authorization
methods</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:47:46
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>The point of git is pretty much to
be decentralized.. </FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:48:44
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>but it can be used as a
centralized system if you let people know whose copy is the official
one</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:49:11
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>if there is no official repo,
then people will just clone from whoever they want</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:49:26
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Hosted repos use ssh access, and
people usually clone from those I guess </FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>01:50</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:50:13
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>But if there is no way to ensure
that what you are cloning/pulling from someone is what their diff
says, then its mighty insecure..</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:53:03
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>well, it wouldn't be any
different to checking out an SVN or CVS repo of some random dude you
don't trust, I guess</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:54:58
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>I doubt it. The distributed
control system wouldn't work if you can't trust the data that you are
pulling</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>01:55</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(01:59:02
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Taldor:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: you only can trust
the data if you can trust the connection and the other repo
owner</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>02:00</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(02:00:48
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>You can't always trust the
connection, though. Or your hardware for that matter, with disk
errors and such</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>02:10</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(02:11:41
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Well, im no expert, so let the
pro's discuss it</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(02:12:02
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Just the fact that you have the
capability to do so is there</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(02:13:44
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>the fact that you can't trust
any random dude is pretty much the point of security</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>02:15</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(02:16:35
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Yes. But you should be able to
trust your software..</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(02:19:36
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>but you can't. not fully, at
least</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#888888"><B>02:20</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(02:22:33
AM) </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=3>Yeah, cynicism is the ultimate
security tool, haha</FONT> 
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<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(11:52:38) </font></span><b><font size="3">The topic for #freegamer is: Free Software games community - <a href="http://freegamer.blogspot.com">http://freegamer.blogspot.com</a> - Forum: <a href="http://forum.freegamedev.net/">http://forum.freegamedev.net/</a> - Wiki: <a href="http://www.libregamewiki.org/">http://www.libregamewiki.org/</a>  - GameDev : <a href="http://wiki.freegamedev.net/">http://wiki.freegamedev.net/</a> - Planet: <a href="http://planet.freegamedev.net/">http://planet.freegamedev.net/</a></font></b><br>
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<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(17:43:21) </font></span><b><font size="3">Repsa_Jih [<i>n=jasper@88.197.146.64</i>] entered the room.</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(18:18:24) </font></span><b><font size="3">Hory [<i>n=Administ@78.97.149.193</i>] entered the room.</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(18:32:49) </font></span><b><font size="3">m64 [<i>i=c3a4ff82@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b7b2f3ff36a4894e</i>] entered the room.</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(18:34:26) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>hi there!</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#5f3c45">(18:34:34) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #5f3c45;'>Repsa_Jih: </span>Hello</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:34:51) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Hey m64</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(18:35:15) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>may I say, nice channel you've got in here</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:37:12) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Indeed, when we actually get around to talking, haha</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(18:38:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>heh - not much talk at this time of day I guess?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#5f3c45">(18:40:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #5f3c45;'>Repsa_Jih: </span>Well, erm, only when there's a good topic</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:41:13) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Well, it depends. If the right topic is struck up and there are enough people actively watching, then it can happen at any time.. Although the amount of people usually gets greater in a few hours</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(18:41:52) </font></span><b><font size="3">charlieg [<i>n=charles@91.110.36.190</i>] entered the room.</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(18:41:52) </font></span><b><font size="3">mode (+o charlieg ) by ChanServ</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(18:42:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>hmm... since when do you need a topic on irc?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(18:42:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>;)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:42:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>since people started doing more than just talking on IRC :-P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:44:06) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Well, the topic has to interest people enough to talk, unless they are really bored..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(18:44:56) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>well, I don't have a topic, just wanted to check out the FGD irc</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(18:47:51) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>IMHO you faster become accustomed with a community via IRc then via forums</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(18:48:49) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>and I'm trying to get accustomed with FGD</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:49:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>yeah, just takes a bit of lurking, but eventually people will talk</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#5f3c45">(18:49:16) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #5f3c45;'>Repsa_Jih: </span>well it's a cool community as fas as I know</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#5f3c45">(18:49:26) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #5f3c45;'>Repsa_Jih: </span>I'm the only unfriendly one</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(18:51:40) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>ok, I'll remember</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(18:54:37) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>do not mess with Repsa_Jih</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:55:11) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">I wonder where Tranberry is...</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#5f3c45">(18:55:15) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #5f3c45;'>Repsa_Jih: </span>So, are you a gamer or a developper or both?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(18:55:22) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>both</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#062585">(18:55:44) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #062585;'><font size="3">***charlieg </font></span><font size="3">mutters incoherently</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(18:56:15) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>probably more of a developer as I spend 5 times more tiem developing then playing</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#429f25">(18:57:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #429f25;'>charlieg: </span>what dost thou developeth?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#5f3c45">(18:57:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #5f3c45;'>Repsa_Jih: </span>Cool, what are you working on?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(18:57:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>FPS at the moment</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#429f25">(18:57:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #429f25;'>charlieg: </span>38</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#5f3c45">(18:57:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #5f3c45;'>Repsa_Jih: </span>Impressing</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#5f3c45">(18:57:55) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #5f3c45;'>Repsa_Jih: </span>Some site we can see?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(18:58:01) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>not yet</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#429f25">(18:58:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #429f25;'>charlieg: </span>(impressive)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#429f25">(18:58:27) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #429f25;'>charlieg: </span>open source or teh evil, i mean, commercial?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(18:58:30) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>hi m64, i see you found our irc channel  =)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(18:58:34) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>we are ending preproduction in about 2-3 months, so perhaps then there will be more press releases</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(18:58:44) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>evil</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(18:58:50) </font></span><b><font size="3">quin_ [<i>n=a@b50E.adsl.ecomtel.com.au</i>] entered the room.</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(18:58:56) </font></span><b><font size="3">quin left the room (quit: Nick collision from services.).</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#429f25">(18:59:09) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #429f25;'>charlieg: </span>in, out, shake it all about</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#429f25">(18:59:15) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #429f25;'>charlieg: </span>do the hokey cokey and turn around</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(18:59:22) </font></span><b><font size="3">quin_ is now known as quin</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#429f25">(18:59:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #429f25;'>charlieg: </span>..... on my own with that one?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(18:59:37) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>huh ? yep</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#062585">(19:00:07) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #062585;'><font size="3">***Repsa_Jih </font></span><font size="3">looks at charlieg in a strange fashion</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(19:01:08) </font></span><b><font size="3">Lightkey [<i>i=jonas@dslb-092-075-053-098.pools.arcor-ip.net</i>] entered the room.</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:01:34) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>some local custom I presume?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#429f25">(19:02:05) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #429f25;'>charlieg: </span><a href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NPmYbmOznLM">http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NPmYbmOznLM</a></font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#429f25">(19:03:17) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #429f25;'>charlieg: </span>i win at knowing the intarweb</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#062585">(19:03:23) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #062585;'><font size="3">***charlieg </font></span><font size="3">lurks</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:03:29) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>oh, scary.  yep, you ARE alone on that one =)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:03:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>intartubes</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:04:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>I can has intartubes?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:05:05) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>i can has vehicle physics ? plz ?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:05:11) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>%)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:05:21) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>DO NOT WANT!</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:05:40) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>kthxbye</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:05:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>btw, <a href="http://lolcode.com/">http://lolcode.com/</a> ?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:06:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>physics belongs to the basement cat</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:06:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>HAI</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:06:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>CAN HAS STDIO?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:06:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>VISIBLE &quot;HAI WORLD!&quot;</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:06:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>KTHXBYE</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:06:40) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>UR DOING IT RITE!</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:07:01) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>hehe, caps : was copy pasted sourcecode =)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:07:29) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>internet memes aside, you can have vehicle physics</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:08:15) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>hehe cool ones like in velociraptor safari where your vehicle could turn over when you take a turn too sharp ? =)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:08:41) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>haven't seen that in any opensource game yet</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:08:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>haven't played the game in question, but you can do things like that with Bullet</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:09:20) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>yep, bullet and physx are on the list, gonna try that stuff sometime next month i hope</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:09:29) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>not sure, but I think it can even happen in their vehicle demo if you modify the terrain or the chassis</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:10:04) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>a nice and small vehicle game with tank and buggie on a heighfield terrain could be fun i think</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:10:21) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>but don't come back screaming &quot;OH NOES THEY BE TAKING MY BUCKET!&quot;</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:10:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>my only big complain about Bullet is that doing character physics is damned hard</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:10:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>*complaint</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:10:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>what's that hard about it?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:10:58) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>character physics ? ragdoll anim or walking ?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:11:22) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>walking, jumping, controls in general</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:11:46) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>ah k.</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:12:44) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>apropos walking, an opensource lib for something like this would be cool : <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2q5kuic6HA">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2q5kuic6HA</a></font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:12:58) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>something definitely worth cloning imho =)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:13:10) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>( ocomotion System, walking animation system, step, stairs etc. runevision.com unity3d.com  )</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:13:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>ocomotion -&gt; locomotion</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:13:51) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>and related to that : ragdoll/physical/muskle+reflex realtime animation : <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKLaMN9dnjQ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKLaMN9dnjQ</a></font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:14:07) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>( Euphoria 3d Ragdoll Engine by Natural Motion )</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:14:15) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>you don't do walking through physics</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:14:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>at least not for games</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:14:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>not yet</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:14:44) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>oh, or rather it is starting</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:14:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>gta4 i think has that euphoria thing</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:15:30) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>so you can shoot people in the leg while they're running, and it calculates the anim in realtime</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:15:51) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>pretty sardistic use of computer technology, but nevertheless... rather cool =)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:16:16) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>we've got this too in our game, but we are not doing it with physics</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(19:16:32) </font></span><b><font size="3">Darklock left the room (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:16:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>haven't seen gta4, so can't say how are they doing it</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:16:56) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>ah sweet =) not with phys ? don't you need phys to calculate the impact ?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:17:17) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>and muscle motion stuff ?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:17:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>not really - shots are not physics based, so you only need to detect which limb was hit</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:17:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>aah ok..      no idea how these things work internally, i thought it was using physics</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:18:05) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>then you turn on physics only for this limb and disconnect it from the rest</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:18:28) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>and start &quot;oh my leg&quot; animation</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:18:55) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>i see, it's more faking than i thought then %)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:19:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>impact to throw away the limb is calculated based on the weapon damage</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:19:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>clever though, and computer graphics are all about faking</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:20:01) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>this discussion reminds me of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOvq3-oG5BM">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOvq3-oG5BM</a></font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:20:57) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>you can also ragdoll the rest of the body - then it looks pretty much like the guy just fell after having his leg removed - pretty realistic in fact</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:21:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>hehe, yep</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:22:26) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>&quot;clumsyness&quot;</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:22:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>they're rather drunk *g*</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:22:59) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>the sumo thing is cool, however it shows most of the current problems with making a physics based character movement</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(19:23:13) </font></span><b><font size="3">bughunter2 [<i>n=Jelle@77.164.66.126</i>] entered the room.</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:24:46) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>that's why it's so great</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:24:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>yeah</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:25:15) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>creepy robot walker  : <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=W1czBcnX1Ww">http://youtube.com/watch?v=W1czBcnX1Ww</a></font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:25:24) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>I really admire all the developers who manage to use physics as more than just a special effect</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:25:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>can also compensate being kicked or walking on ice</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:26:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>looks like a monster from a horror game</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:29:43) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>you won't be laughing when you will be watching this things storming you echo base</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:34:28) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>as the Euphoria thing looks really nice</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:34:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>I doubt that they have used it for all the movement in GTA4 though</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:35:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>not sure either , but i think i heard it being mentioned in that regard</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:35:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>well - who knows?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:36:07) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span><a href="http://www.gamepro.de/news/spiele/ps3/actionspiel/gta_4_euphoria_engine/1305819/gta_4_euphoria_engine.html">http://www.gamepro.de/news/spiele/ps3/actionspiel/gta_4_euphoria_engine/1305819/gta_4_euphoria_engine.html</a></font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:36:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>does gta4 have network mode?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cd627e">(19:36:09) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cd627e;'>czysetny: </span>&lt;<a href="http://tinyurl.com/9nk6zs">http://tinyurl.com/9nk6zs</a>&gt; (at <a href="http://www.gamepro.de">www.gamepro.de</a>)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:36:31) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>IMO, animation blending is good enough</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:37:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>IMO we won't be getting rid of animations for quite a time</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:37:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>yep, those phys-based-anims or whatever you call them are mostly visual enhancements, they don't really add to gameplay,   vehicle phys on the other hand do imho</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(19:37:56) </font></span><b><font size="3">Repsa_Jih left the room (quit: &quot;Leaving.&quot;).</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:39:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>hmm, google should have a &quot;do NOT search for german websites&quot; option =(</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:39:36) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Why not use google.uk or something</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:39:51) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>google.com redirects me automatically</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:40:30) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>what's the uk adress ? .uk doesn't work</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#429f25">(19:40:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #429f25;'>charlieg: </span>ghoulsblade: stormbaarn courer (major sp)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#429f25">(19:40:40) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #429f25;'>charlieg: </span>that has major physics</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#02680a">(19:40:42) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #02680a;'>bughunter2: </span>ghoulsblade: <a href="http://www.google.co.uk">www.google.co.uk</a></font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#55b8bf">(19:40:43) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #55b8bf;'>Taldor: </span>.co.uk</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#429f25">(19:41:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #429f25;'>charlieg: </span>as does it's spiritual brother, 'howitzer' or whatever the name is</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:41:09) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>as nice as stormbahn may be, it doesn't even have terrain</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:41:20) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>so it's a rather limited &quot;vehicle physics&quot;</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#429f25">(19:41:27) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #429f25;'>charlieg: </span>also i thought that interstateoutlaws had vehicle physics</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:41:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>probably can't deal well with higher speeds either</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(19:43:07) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>Taldor,  ah thanks =)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:47:58) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">It does have the terrain test</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:48:05) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">If you look at the bottom option</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:48:30) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">But its physics are most sketchy..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(19:51:03) </font></span><b><font size="3">charlieg left the room (quit: &quot;Leaving.&quot;).</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:57:28) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>ghoulsblade: Polish google is killing me to</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(19:59:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>when I search for articles on CUDA I get 1 NVidia link and 10 links about christian miracles</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:59:49) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">I wish wiki search worked better..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:59:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>can't you configure languages with the preferences page?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#3668f2">(20:00:09) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #3668f2;'>ghoulsblade: </span>you do cuda ? i do database algos using cuda as diploma thesis at the moment =)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:01:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>nekotaku: I can, but I would have do this for every single computer that I happen to use</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:01:34) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Google knows me so well, it's scary... I could type in any 3 random letters, and it would find what I was looking for..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:02:11) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>ghoulsblade: I did some GPGPU for my thesis and now I want to port it to CUDA</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:02:26) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">m64, you dont trust big google enough to create an account?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:03:10) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>I don't trust people enough to login with my account on someone else computer</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:03:34) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>having to log in wouldn't be much better than having to change the preferences anyway</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:04:23) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">True.. Thats why you carry around a bootable distro everywhere you go, haha</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(20:04:23) </font></span><b><font size="3">Sindwiller [<i>n=Sindwill@84-75-19-42.dclient.hispeed.ch</i>] entered the room.</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:04:33) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Hey Sindwiller</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:04:39) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>and having to deal with &quot;aaaah! al the internets are suddenly in english&quot; telephones from your family if you forget to change it back</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:04:49) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">I got the design doc done</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:05:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>mornin'</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(20:05:19) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Sindwiller: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat, awsum possum :)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:05:24) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>what are you designing?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:05:36) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">m64 I am pretty sure there are miracles you could work with a usb creditcard</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:05:38) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>ooh, m64, the game industry guy :D</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:05:47) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>hi^^</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:05:50) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">m64: Want to see?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:05:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>If I'm not mistaken</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:06:08) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Well, actually, my definition of done is very very loose there</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:06:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>sure</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:06:39) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>A design document is in its finished state when it's not going to be altered anymore in the future ;)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:06:45) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>*is done</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:06:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>err</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:06:59) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>-is done</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:07:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>:P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:07:05) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Well, here's a link <a href="http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/">http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/</a></font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:11:50) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>Sindwiller: has not happened with any design document I've seen, unless it was written a posteriori ;)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:12:18) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>:)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:13:40) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>and yeah, I'm &quot;the industry guy&quot;</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:14:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Cool. I'm &quot;the grammar nazi&quot; ;P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:15:22) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>GRAMMAR  - I'M DOING IT RONG!</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:15:55) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>hehe</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:17:06) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">So... Uhm... No comment? :P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:17:47) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>still reading it</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(20:18:15) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Taldor: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: it looks good</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:18:43) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>What's that Javascript Wiki though</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:18:44) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>;o</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:18:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Pretty rad</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:19:04) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">In this day and age? Reading? I thought people only skimmed over things one line a paragraph, and filled in the rest themselves :D</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:19:20) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Sindwiller: Its TiddlyWiki, and it rocks</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:19:31) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>kk, noted =)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:19:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>btw</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:19:40) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>it hates you if you have noscript :-P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:19:52) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Yep. You have to allow it to run</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(20:19:57) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Taldor: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: do you want to make it as a proof of concept, or a future widely-used library?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:20:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>&quot;-All users have dvcs branches, so any modification they make to their source is available to all. &quot; &lt;--- shouldn't be the default functionality as-is if you ask me. You should be able to activate and deactivate distribution of a new branch/modification, etc.</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:20:32) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">I have noscript and it works, just as long as you allow it room to play</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:20:50) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>&lt;3 Noscript</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:21:06) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Sindwiller: Well, git makes new branches when you pull things, like it or not</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:21:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>I see</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:21:40) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>How's that work exactly...? :S</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:21:46) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Disabling others from pulling from you while you are connected to the network could be difficult..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#062585">(20:22:04) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #062585;'><font size="3">***Sindwiller </font></span><font size="3">scratches his head</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:22:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>I'm kind of confused though</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:22:31) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Shouldn't you have a seperate folder for a branch or....?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:22:49) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Sindwiller: Usually, when you pull a git branch, it creates a directory, which contains the source and the git configuration</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:23:36) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Any changes you make in that directory are tracked when you commit</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:23:37) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>optional download of &quot;development&quot; version of the software is a must IMHO</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:23:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>m64, definitely</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:24:00) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">m64 Yep, there will be options to download the source and the stable version</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:24:12) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>That's the one of the reasons why to use GIT I'd reckon :)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:24:17) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">the source wont be pulled automatically</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(20:24:38) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Sindwiller: </font></span><font size="3">Other than easily distributing modifications (if I understand TheAncientGoat correctly... :S)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:25:07) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>also an option to download the &quot;development&quot; version of assets</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:25:19) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Sindwiller: Continuing, when you want to pull data, you first need to commit. And if people pull from you, you also need to commit first</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#062585">(20:25:24) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #062585;'><font size="3">***Sindwiller </font></span><font size="3">pokes m64 </font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:25:40) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>If we're talking about &quot;development version of the software&quot; in context of video games, that ALSO means media etc. :)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(20:26:04) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Sindwiller: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat, aah, I get it</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:26:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>More or less</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:26:15) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>I'm not in a very techy mood right now^^</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:26:49) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Sindwiller: If we use git integrally, you will need to have people able to pull from your branch. If we use a more traditional p2p system that just distributes the data, and then have git check the distributed data, it would be possible to limit downloads</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:27:39) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh6a0VYRNew&feature=PlayList&p=F506EE529D14A50B&index=3">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh6a0VYRNew&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=F506EE529D14A50B&amp;index=3</a> holy crap</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cd627e">(20:27:42) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cd627e;'>czysetny: </span>&lt;<a href="http://tinyurl.com/7hzx7n">http://tinyurl.com/7hzx7n</a>&gt; (at <a href="http://www.youtube.com">www.youtube.com</a>)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:27:47) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Taldor: Im getting to your question, haha</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:29:13) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">We need to sort out the p2p git first, and that would be the proof of concept. However, the rest of the system could be designed and implemented while the p2p git is still being developed </font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:29:34) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>you guys read way too fast. I'm just done with &quot;goals&quot; :-P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:29:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>if the open source games some day reach will reach the level of complexity of commercial ones, than the development version of assets, that is assets in formats suitable to be used with editors, can be really freaking huge</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:30:35) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Sindwiller: Reminds me of the music nights we had at my Russian grandfather's house</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:30:49) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>like around  50GB</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(20:31:14) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Sindwiller: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat, :)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:31:29) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>but until then, it can be probably safely ignored</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:31:45) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>I definitely have to get involved in the modern and not so modern night life in Bulgaria lol</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:32:11) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>m64, you haven't read my rants on FOSS game dev tools, have you?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:32:12) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">m64: I think p2p downloads are among the best for such large files....</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:32:58) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Well, unless you have a super connection, where obviously it wouldn't</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:33:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>Sindwiller: probably not</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(20:33:28) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">m64: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: yes p2p would be perfect for such things</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(20:34:07) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">m64: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: I just don't know if user who wants to hack the sources should have to download all the assets too</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:34:09) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">And I also severely doubt that they'll reach that size in foss games before the internet is significantly faster </font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:34:40) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">m64: Thats the cool thing about git, you can pull whatever you want from it</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:34:51) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Well, one of the cool things</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:35:26) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>okay, I finished reading the document</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:35:55) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">You could make separate branches for your content and everything, like plexus is/was planning on doing</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:36:01) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>ok, in that case I don't have more problems with that</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:37:30) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>as the document already mentions, some prioritizing is needed. the plan is still kind of chaotic and scarily broad</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:39:21) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>am I supposed to see a GUI sketch picture there? because I don't :-|</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:39:48) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">The priorities are pretty much in descending order there. Starting with the distribution, and it's methods, and going down until the essentially add-on community features </font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:40:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>ah, okay</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:40:33) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: Ah, I didn't host the picture.. But its really nothing special, I was just envisioning what would need to be displayed in order to achieve its goals</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:42:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>well, I have hard time visualizing the idea it at all</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:42:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>s/ it//</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:42:22) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>probably the review/scoring system would have to account somehow for the frequent new versions of free games</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:42:30) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Also, the goal list is optimistically geared towards the amount of people using it. The community features would only be useful when a lot of people uses it, and that would take time to achieve, while the distribution method is usable by relatively few</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:43:26) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">m64: The reviews stick to the branches, not the versions. Unless you want to rate versions separately, which wouldnt make as much sense</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:43:36) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: Have you used DJL by any chance?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:43:55) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>yeah, enough to complain about the GUI :-P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:44:25) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Well I definitely wont aim for that, haha</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:45:50) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>it wasn't that bad, just slightly illogical and buggy</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:45:58) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Well, the design is split up into 3 aims, and the 3 aims would have different sections</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:46:28) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>it should probably be mentioned that most mainstream package systems are completely unsuitable for games</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:46:42) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">m64: How so?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:46:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>no screenshots in package descriptions</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:46:58) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">They added that</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:47:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>can't search by genre</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:47:09) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">In Debian Unstable, I think</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:47:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>good for them</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:47:55) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>finding games is sort of painful, yeah</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:47:58) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>but probably a trailer would also be nice</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:48:10) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">You can search within genres to a certain extent, but not as genre centric as it should be (like djl)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:48:10) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>and many games are never accepted to distro repos</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:48:56) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>installing, updating, and removing is OK, on the other hand</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:49:04) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">m64 a lot of the things you mentioned is being approached by the Sabayon package manager, you can add videos and reviews and all kinds of stuff</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:49:41) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>ok but that's just one out of many</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:50:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>I won't be switching distros just to use another package manager</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:51:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>and most don't have these features</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:51:03) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: Unfortunately it isnt as ideal as it could be, because a lot of the games are horribly out of date and sometimes libraries get removed that binary installs require. Installing is a breeze though</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:51:17) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">m64: That is true</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:51:55) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Sabayon is let down by a few things, so after spending a few days downloading it I decided not to install it after all</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:53:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>well, yeah, the game and the requirements need to be in the repository, and games can indeed change a lot during a typical distro development cycle</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:53:10) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>and please add to the design document that the user interface should be pretty</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:53:22) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>:)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:53:56) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>pretty by whose standards? :-P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:54:21) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Mine :P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:54:36) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Which means that it will never be complete, hahaha</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:55:21) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Although the gui sketch that I did was most probably the most orrible thing I ever did draw..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:55:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>let's make it pink and add pictures of ponies and bunnies</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:55:39) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Well, skinning is an idea</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:55:56) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">But I've never seen it implemented in a linux app</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:56:00) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">No, I lie</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:56:13) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">I've seen it on vlc and a few rare others</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:56:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>it's rarely that great, to be honest</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:56:47) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>and sometimes the illogical skins make me rage</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:57:01) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">And then you install a new one :P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:58:11) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>yeah, but they were *all* imitating an ugly VCR or something, just that the blinking &quot;12:00&quot; was mostly conceptual</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:58:14) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">At least the app shouldn't look like you are working on a database form..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(20:58:16) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>probably some multiplayer friendly features should be added, like server search</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:58:55) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">That can be done via plugins</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:59:10) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">But yes, that is a good community feature</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:59:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>so, functionality first, then make it pretty if you have time</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:01:52) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Well, the core functionality is dependant on a tech that isn't quite developed yet. So unless we use something less advanced as a stand-in, we have lots of time in the meanwhile...</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:03:41) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Oh yeah, I guess I should make a thread for this :)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(21:05:57) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>Make the most pretty installer of them all! And it shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love it and despair!</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(21:06:21) </font></span><b><font size="3">Tranberry [<i>n=Pilatus@90-228-241-113-no71.tbcn.telia.com</i>] entered the room.</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:06:38) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Yay, Tranberry</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(21:06:47) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">hey TheAncientGoat!</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(21:07:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>how's the writing going?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:07:19) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">We just finished discussing the project. You missed it all, and now you will be left out in the cold }=D</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:07:44) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">I've got a few pages done, you can check it out if you want</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(21:08:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>That's what happen when you go to work I guess :(</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(21:08:06) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>καθένας αυτόν σέβεται!</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(21:08:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>@ m64</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(21:08:15) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>:P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(21:08:29) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: you got a link then? :D</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:08:44) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Yep, just waiting for the update to upload</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:08:56) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">I'll add a log of the conversation past, too</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#55b8bf">(21:09:10) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #55b8bf;'>Taldor: </span>Sindwiller: &quot;kathedas auton sebetai&quot;?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(21:09:17) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>great, you are a great person</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#55b8bf">(21:09:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #55b8bf;'>Taldor: </span>* kathenas</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(21:09:37) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>Sindwiller: are you trying to scare me?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(21:09:43) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Taldor, &quot;everyone shall love it and despair&quot;? K, sebomai doesn't mean the exact same thing, but... whatever :P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(21:10:16) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Tranberry, Yes. Yes, I am. ;)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(21:10:28) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>The letters are Elvish, of an ancient mode, but the language is that of Mordor, which I will not utter here.</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(21:10:28) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>&lt;m64&gt; Make the most pretty installer of them all! And it shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love it and despair! @ Tranberry</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(21:10:29) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>^^</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(21:10:39) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>m64, löl :D</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:11:14) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">K, just waiting for the log to uploaf, then I'll pass the link</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(21:11:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Wheel of Time &gt; LOTR though</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(21:11:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>Sindwiller: I think you need to talk with someone, maybe the tooth fairy?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:11:59) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3"><a href="http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/">http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/</a></font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(21:12:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>mebbe</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(21:12:06) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Mebbe the ghost of past christmas</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(21:12:07) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>:P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:12:11) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Tranberry: There you go</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(21:12:51) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">thanks TheAncientGoat, I've already book'ed it</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(21:13:01) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>and reading as I type</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(21:13:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>btw</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(21:13:10) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Sindwiller: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat, as for mindmapping, try <a href="http://www.graphviz.org/">http://www.graphviz.org/</a></font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:13:13) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Oh yeah, do you guys want editing priveladges?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(21:13:21) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>(MediaWiki actually has an extention for that ;o)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:13:23) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">privileges &gt;&lt;</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:13:59) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Sindwiller: That looks awesome</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:15:28) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">I'm pretty sure I'll find a tiddlywiki extension that does something similar though</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(21:15:42) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>Sindwiller: haven't read teh Wheel of Time</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(21:16:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>It's pretty kewl</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(21:16:48) </font></span><b><font size="3">hagish left the room (quit: &quot;baking a cake :)&quot;).</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:17:12) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Book of the new sun kicks some gratuitous posterior too..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(21:22:04) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: are there supposed to be an image under GUI design?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:23:22) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Yes, I just forgot to upload it</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:23:29) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">I need to host it somewhere else</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:24:18) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">But it isn't that special anyway, so you arent missing out on much</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(21:24:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>this all English fantasy is making me post stupid quotes on IRC. I guess I'll just stick with Polish fantasy for a while.</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(21:25:38) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: I thought my browser was ignoring it, it happens sometimes</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#55b8bf">(21:26:04) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #55b8bf;'>Taldor: </span>can anybody tell me why the radakan topic is locked? <a href="http://forum.freegamedev.net/index.php?t=msg&th=297&start=0&S=cee72d7bf8a26751cf94cf2be6eecab4">http://forum.freegamedev.net/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=297&amp;start=0&amp;S=cee72d7bf8a26751cf94cf2be6eecab4</a></font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cd627e">(21:26:06) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cd627e;'>czysetny: </span>&lt;<a href="http://tinyurl.com/6ucsws">http://tinyurl.com/6ucsws</a>&gt; (at forum.freegamedev.net)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#2a7ffd">(21:31:09) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #2a7ffd;'>m64: </span>I'm leaving the office for today, so good bye</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(21:31:29) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>bye m64</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:31:52) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Cheers m64</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(21:32:00) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: woha you must find me extremly slow acording to the log ;)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:32:22) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">No, why would you say that?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(21:32:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>I mean I dubble read everything to be sure I got it right</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(21:32:29) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>bye</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(21:32:39) </font></span><b><font size="3">m64 left the room (quit: &quot;http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client&quot;).</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:32:44) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Oh, the amount of time it has taken to read the doc?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(21:33:10) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>yeah</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:34:12) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Tranberry: Btw, do you want write access?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:34:21) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Or editing privs</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:34:55) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Well, you already have that, but re-uploading privs might be more applicable</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(21:34:57) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: I would like to, but I don't got time to edit it at the moment</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:35:38) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Well, you can download the file anytime, and then edit it in your browser</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:36:09) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">You only need the password to re-upload it to the server</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#062585">(21:38:20) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #062585;'><font size="3">***Tranberry </font></span><font size="3">is still reading the doc through</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(21:42:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>me and nekotaku seems to be the same in some ways acording to the log. XD</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:46:25) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">From his recent suggestions?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(21:46:44) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>asking the same or similar questions</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:48:09) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Ah, cool. When I revise it I'll address them</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(21:48:58) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: I think m64 raises an interesting point, previewing the content/game/project is very important to some of us</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(21:49:09) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>I would like to hear your thinking about that</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:51:03) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Previews such as screenshots and videos etc?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:51:28) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Yeah, thats a definite must</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(21:51:46) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>how will you tackle it from a project managers point of veiw</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:52:45) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Well, I plan on giving the users the ability to rate and review games, they can also include screenshots and videos</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:53:02) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">These can either be linked from websites, or hosted on a media branch</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(21:54:29) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>when you say linked form websites is that in the sens of hosting it or actually veiwing the website from inside?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:55:21) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Embedding content.. It would have to be done with an embedded website viewer, something like Qt's webkit</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:55:58) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Either that or we use an embedded mediaplayer to stream files from the p2p network..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:56:10) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">The webkit is waaay easier to use though</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(21:58:11) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>I vote for the webkit, but then again I don't know much about it. Is it like a full browser solution or just fast small and scalable?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(21:58:48) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">fast, small and scalable as you want it to be</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(21:59:56) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>do it need to suport things like flash?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:00:04) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">We could integrate LGDB into the proceedings, they have a minimal version optimized for djl's webkit implementation, and they provide videos, ratings, screenshots, player listing etv</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:00:05) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>'plugins'</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:00:22) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">The webkit is based on firefox</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:00:47) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">so if you have flash installed for firefox, it should be able to play flash movies</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(22:01:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>if you just make it view websites, the result will likely be an inconsistent mess</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:02:28) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">mmm? unless it views a single, consistent website</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:02:39) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>I'm with nekotaku on this</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:02:45) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>ah</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:03:31) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">It wont be loading youtube and sites from all over the place, it will just load a single site, or even a single element</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(22:04:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>why can't you just download the images or videos and display them as widgets then? :-F</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:04:30) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>I'm seeing a system that fetches text and content and displays them in the same way for all projects</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:05:04) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Nekotaku, that could also work</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:05:15) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>maybe alow some css like editing for branding but not myspace hell</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:07:07) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: Remember though, if we do that, then we have to set up our own database for the content and reviews and stugg</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:07:11) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">ff*</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:07:30) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">If we integrate with an existing site, then it saves us a lot of work</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(22:08:06) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: won't it be simpler to do something like ohloh project pages?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(22:08:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>maybe such a site would be interested in making an API for accessing their data?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:08:58) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">That's the cool thing LGDB already has an api and everything</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:09:17) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Tranberry: That could also work, but ohloh is a tad general..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:09:34) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>I know it's a bad example</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:09:49) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>my mind just freezed</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:10:57) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>I would like the project manager come to a 'set table' eg no need to do fancy html and css tricks. Just link in content</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:11:26) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">The project manager wouldn't have to.</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:11:30) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">The community does</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:12:10) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">And having something like LGDB integration would work, because they already have methods for easily adding things like videos and screenshots to games</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:12:28) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">and if it is easy for the users to do so, it is doubly so for the manager</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:12:29) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">s</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(22:13:17) </font></span><b><font size="3">Taldor left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection).</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:13:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>that sounds better then my thinking, but I would like it to be a static non destryable layout</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:14:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>Maybe that is not even an issue</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(22:14:40) </font></span><b><font size="3">Taldor [<i>i=50c803d5@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-58698aadd4edccaf</i>] entered the room.</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:16:06) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Ah wait, webkit doesnt have flash support yet</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:16:19) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">But its comming in the next version, so it isnt a trainsmash</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:16:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>but flash is only needed for video right?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:17:41) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">yep</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:17:47) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Everything else will work</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:19:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>how much space (HDD) do you think the client will need?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:22:07) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">The client itself? Pretty small.. It's only a gui with code.. If we really pretty it up with gfx and stuff, it'll max out at about 10mb.. The data that the system uses (apart from the games themself) will take up a bit of space, but nothing crazy...</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(22:23:06) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>you should avoid doing silly things like embedding web browsers, IMO, if you expect people to run the application while gaming</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:23:45) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>I hope that depends on the page viewed</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:24:15) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Djl uses 50mb ram max, and  &gt;1% cpu usage on my rig</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:24:41) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">And it has multiple webpages open, rss readers, and irc client etc etc</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:25:14) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Webkit is built to be light, I don't think that it will use up too much resources </font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:25:20) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>that is ok I guess :)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(22:25:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>50M is pretty horrible for an application like that IMO</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:25:55) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>nekotaku: what would you aim under then?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:27:00) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Well, it replaces, in gaming needs, firefox and pidgin, and those two take up waaaaay much more memory..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(22:27:12) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>my IDE is 43M and that's an IDE, not an application launcher</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:27:58) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Djl's more than an application launcher though..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:28:19) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Its a game installer, downloader, rss reader, webpage viewer, irc client etc. etc.</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:29:13) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">And I was running an embeded minigame in it</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(22:29:58) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>well, I don't like the everything-and-a-kitchen-sink approach</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(22:30:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>guess why pidgin and firefox take a lot of memory</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:30:57) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Plugins, I know</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:31:04) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">But I cant live without them</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:31:32) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Ok, pidgins not so much, maybe, but firefox deffinitely</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(22:32:14) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">that makes me wounder how many addons/plugins do you have enabled in firefox TheAncientGoat?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:32:48) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">The thing is, nekotaku, having to download tons of apps in order to do things limits people from doing it</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:33:43) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Tranberry: 7, but this is on a totally fresh install</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:33:57) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">those are the plugins I cant surf the web without</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:34:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>I have 8 and I just returned to it</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:35:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>anyway I don't think this will feel like a everything and a kitchen sink app</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(22:36:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>maybe not yet, but it keeps getting bigger and bigger</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:36:24) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Nah, I was very ambitious with the goals</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:36:27) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>true it's hard to avaid silly features and keep smart</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:36:42) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">I don't think that it can get any bigger than what I've described there</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:37:54) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Ok, save for introducing a monetary aspect</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:38:18) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">But I'm not even going to go there</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:38:48) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">The thing is, being able to take all of this into account will make sure that everything has a place in the big picture</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:38:58) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>I think it's smart to start with listing everything you want out of it and then strip out the silly stuff</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:39:57) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Take DJL for example, they started out small, without many aspirations (that I could divine), and now they are adding features that they never thought of in the first place</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:40:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>that will lead to clutter imo</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:41:05) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">There is something like 4 default tabs when you open the app, with as many as 10 if you enable all the plugins..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:42:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>that is 3 to many</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(22:42:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>too bad they started adding plug-ins before even the core features were working properly</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:43:54) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">See, I want to be able to provide a system that allows you to get the most out of an os game, without having to spend more time getting set up than actually enjoying it </font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:46:06) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>that is a good lead</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:47:11) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">While giving developers the same advantage: the best out of the community</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:49:15) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>as long as it's simple to manage it's a win</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(22:50:52) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">now I would love some mokups! pretty please TheAncientGoat</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:51:40) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>I don't mind it looking like the ugly duckling as long as I can see the idea behind it</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:52:19) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">I'll try a few tomorrow, but now I've got to go sleep..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(22:52:20) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">***Tranberry </font></span><font size="3">puts pressure  on TheAncientGoat</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:52:30) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>ok sleep thight</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:52:40) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Thanks for the input guys, this'll be logged to the wiki as well</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:53:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>spellchecked I hope ;)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(22:53:16) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I'll look like the naysayer of the year on the log :-P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(22:54:07) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>nekotaku: don't worry I'll look like the cheering idiot</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:54:35) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">And I'll look like the overambitious newbie, haha</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(22:55:28) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Anyway, night guys, talk tomorrow. </font>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(15:50:57) </SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><B>The
topic for #freegamer is: Free Software games community -
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- Forum: <A HREF="http://forum.freegamedev.net/">http://forum.freegamedev.net/</A>
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- Planet: <A HREF="http://planet.freegamedev.net/">http://planet.freegamedev.net/</A></B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(18:52:42)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Hey Tranberry</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(18:53:26)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Tranberry:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>hey TheAncientGoat</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(18:53:37)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>how are things?</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(18:53:53)
</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><B>hagish left the room (quit: Read error:
110 (Connection timed out)).</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(18:53:54)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Pretty good here, and
there?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(18:54:05)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Busy with a mockup</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(18:55:15)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Well my day have been less then
good</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(18:58:13)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>hey</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(18:59:01)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Tranberry: What happened?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:00:49)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Well I started by walking on a pair
of glasses</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:01:02)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>and from that it just
rolled</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:01:42)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Ouch. I hate those days</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:02:20)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>hey bughunter2</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:02:26)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>hi :D</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:02:34)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Tranberry:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: I hope I'll be able to
come back to normal</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:04:16)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>hows it going today?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:04:35)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>bughunter2: I don't know</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:04:50)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>me neither</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:04:51)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>and you?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:04:56)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>:|</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:05:51)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Flash Gordon</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:06:09)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Tranberry:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: when may we see one of
those fabled mockups?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:06:13)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>nekotaku:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: you should split the
P2P distribution thing into two sister projects, one that does the
distribution/contribution part and another that does the
community/social networking/other stuff</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:07:18)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>keeping the distribution part
independent of any centralization needed by the community features
would be beneficial</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:08:12)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Tranberry: So far i've only covered
the distribution part</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:08:48)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>The contribution section still needs
doing, and the community section hasn't even been started
yet</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:09:29)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>well release early and often
;)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:09:29)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>I wonder if we could do a gimp-like
docking system.. Even though I'd like to have everything under one
window..</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:14:10)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>bughunter2: what are you
doing?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:14:23)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>ripping my newly bought
cd</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:15:47)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>nekotaku:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: at least code a
somewhat decent GUI if you can't design one yourself :-P</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:16:34)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku: Mmm? If I cant design it,
how am I going to code one, nevermind a decent one.. </FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:16:42)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#02680a"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bughunter2:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>i don't get that either
nekotaku</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:16:57)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Tranberry: Btw, I just realized that
you have the wrong wiki link, haha</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:16:58)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>err, s/code/clone/</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:17:09)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>tha I do??</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:17:15)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Yep</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:17:19)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>give me the correct one
then</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:17:22)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>:D</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:17:47)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Th<A HREF="http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/index.html">http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/index.html</A></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:18:04)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>For some reason it stopped updating
the non index one</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:19:00)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>strange</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:19:14)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>I'm reading the thread
now</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:20:22)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>anyway, a good UI is made by
understanding what people want to do with the application and what
kind of use patterns they'll have. &quot;docking system or not&quot;
is a sort of irrelevant question</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:22:19)
</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><B>mazling
[</B></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><I><B>i=largeear@host81-156-80-247.range81-156.btcentralplus.com</B></I></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><B>]
entered the room.</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:22:44)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>It is though.. Because unlinked
windows take time to sort through and fin, and that messes up
people's usage pattern much more than just a misplaced button,
imo</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:26:33)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>A collabarative draw tool would be
useful now, to explain the gui stuff I've been thinking of</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:27:08)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Tranberry:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat: yes it
would</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:29:17)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>the way how GIMP does GUI is sort
of unfortunate because the UI doesn't actually address usability, but
forces to user to do it</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:29:52)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>personaly I don't see the super gui
of the gimp</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:30:19)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>personaly I feel it abuse screen
realestate</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:30:20)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku: Yeah, I don't like gimp's
gui either</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:30:59)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>hit me in the head</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:31:05)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>But if the project gets split up in
such a way, separate windows are much more favourable than separate
programs</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#062585"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:31:39)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#062585"><FONT SIZE=3><B>***TheAncientGoat
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>hits Tranberry in the head</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:32:03)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Tranberry:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>thanks TheAncientGoat, you need that
when you start each reply with the same words</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:32:58)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>libraries are favorable</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:33:56)
</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><B>hagish_ left the room (quit: Read
error: 110 (Connection timed out)).</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:34:54)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Hmm, here is a bit of a
conundrum</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:35:35)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku: Think so? Why
though?</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:36:07)
</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><B>hagish
[</B></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><I><B>n=hagish@p5498561F.dip.t-dialin.net</B></I></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><B>]
entered the room.</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:36:29)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>If we cut out the community features,
we cut out things like game ratings, images and videos</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:37:12)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Of distributed games*</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:38:51)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>I'm sorry I don't follow</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:40:03)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>well, the nice thing about
libraries is that you can mix and match and reuse them. if you split
the distribution and community parts into two libraries, you can
still have an application that supports both, but someone can easily
make an application that only supports one or the other</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:40:31)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>and someone might even understand
what the different systems do</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:41:12)
</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><B>tetrachrome left the room (quit: Remote
closed the connection).</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:41:21)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku: :P. That's true though..
</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:41:43)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Remember though, I dont intend on
creating new functions for everything...</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:42:57)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Tranberry: In order to distribute the
game, it needs a minimum amount of information in order to
convince/inform the downloader, right (such as images and
descriptions etc.)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:43:48)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8d04df"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Tranberry:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>I got it now, like yesterday I'm
somewhat slow mind and body</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:44:35)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Now, to get that information, I was
thinking of using the community aspect, sothat users can do things
like add ratings and images etc.</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:46:13)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>So either, we'll have to cut back on
those, and only include basic game info and maybe one or two
developer posted pics, in order to make a more definite gap between
the aspects..</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:47:05)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Ooor we can use the contribution
aspect, and host the ratings info in a decentralized manner similar
to the way that game content will be contributed</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:47:19)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>(come to think of it, that is how I
first defined it)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:48:42)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>the latter would be really good
IMO</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:48:46)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Or, 3rd option, we use an api for an
already existing system to give us information and content</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:49:06)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku: It is also the hardest to
do, haha</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:49:17)
</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><B>Taldor
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entered the room.</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:49:27)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>For the 3rd option, an api to
something like LGDB</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:50:15)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>there's also the option of using
both developer supplied information read from the repo and optional
user contributed information read from a centralized place</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:55:02)
</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><B>timong left the room (quit:
&quot;Leaving.&quot;).</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:56:59)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku: thats also true. But if we
are going to read info from a repo, we might as well just do it for
the rest as well</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:57:26)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>It would need a system that grabs
quite a bit of information though, and store it on a centralized
repo</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:58:26)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Although not really centralized in the
traditional sense</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(19:58:50)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Because if it where deleted,
everyone's comments would still be saved on their system</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(20:01:26)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>that would work, I guess</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(20:16:26)
</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><B>Sindwiller
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entered the room.</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(20:17:55)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Although it would need to be hosted in
a central location, to prevent tampering... hmm... </FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(20:19:51)
</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><B>mazling left the room (quit: &quot;i've
got my car and my tv, what should i care about you and your
fun?&quot;).</B></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(20:30:28)
</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><B>tetrachrome
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entered the room.</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(20:50:28)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Hah, Sindwiller
<A HREF="http://kotaku.com/5131908/ea-partners-to-distribute-wheel-of-time-games">http://kotaku.com/5131908/ea-partners-to-distribute-wheel-of-time-games</A></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#cd627e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(20:50:30)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#cd627e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">czysetny:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>&lt;<A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/a7yt4l">http://tinyurl.com/a7yt4l</A>&gt;
(at kotaku.com)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(20:53:30)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>nooooooooooooooo</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(20:53:32)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>not EA</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(20:55:18)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Yes EA!</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(20:55:23)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Bwahaha</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(20:57:28)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>They'd be able to make quite a speedy
grave spinning mobile by now..</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(20:59:35)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>I think they should enforce a law
somewhere, to prevent the despoiling of such memories..</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(21:02:53)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>ya</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(21:03:27)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Anyway Tranberry, the mockup should be
up</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(21:15:30)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>does anyone really want to see that
much information about games they have already chosen and started
downloading?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(21:18:47)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>No, that's supposed to be the game
browsing util. I was considering a separate tab purely for downloads,
but I wasnt sure..</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(21:19:30)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>The games you see there would be an
entire list of all the different games being distributed</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(21:20:58)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Also, I wasn't certain if I should
make the entries minimized/expandable to save space... </FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(21:21:17)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>I think you should</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(21:23:31)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>For both of those?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(21:26:33)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>I'm not sure how the contribute box
is going to work. shouldn't you choose to what game you're
contributing?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(21:30:34)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Yes, it contributes to the currently
selected game, in whichever tab (you don't have to have a game
installed in order to contribute)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(21:31:05)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>I might make a label there that gives
you the currently selected game though</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(21:33:17)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>wouldn't it be possible to add a
&quot;contribute&quot; tab to the expanded game item in the games
list? I think it would make sense if it was accessed that way if it's
game specific</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(21:33:41)
</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><B>tmass left the room (quit: &quot;
HydraIRC -&gt; http://www.hydrairc.com &lt;-&quot;).</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(21:36:00)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>That could work. But it hides the
contribution aspect, and that is something I don't really want to
do.. </FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(21:40:33)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>hardly since it will still be
visible to everyone who looks at the information on the game, which
will be pretty much everyone who's interested</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(21:42:32)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#a40000"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">nekotaku:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>and I don't think you'll be able to
game users with the widget placement</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(21:49:24)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>How so?</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(21:54:46)
</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><B>hagish left the room (quit: &quot;baking
a cake :)&quot;).</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(21:55:56)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Hah, I forgot to add a download
button</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(21:58:30)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Fun fun fun
<A HREF="http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F15%2F1620249&amp;from=rss">http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F15%2F1620249&amp;from=rss</A></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#cd627e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(21:58:32)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#cd627e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">czysetny:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>&lt;<A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/8xsvkh">http://tinyurl.com/8xsvkh</A>&gt;
(at yro.slashdot.org)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#fd575f"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(22:06:53)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#fd575f"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">DGMurdockIII:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>dose gimp support plugin or
skins?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(22:07:40)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Plugins, sure, not skins though
:(</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(22:08:12)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>There where some really awesome gimp
ideas listed a while back Sindwiller and ghoulsblade aught to know
more about it</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(22:08:46)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>I'd love to have an all in one gimp
again, the current system irritates me</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#3668f2"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(22:08:46)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#3668f2"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">ghoulsblade:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>&quot;verse&quot; ? that was sort
of multiplayer/cooperative editing</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#3668f2"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(22:08:54)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#3668f2"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">ghoulsblade:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>there was a plugin for gimp and for
blender</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#3668f2"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(22:09:01)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#3668f2"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">ghoulsblade:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>but they didn't work too well
afaik</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(22:09:07)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Oh yeah, verse, I loved the
idea</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(22:09:16)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>But never could get it working
properly either</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#3668f2"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(22:09:32)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#3668f2"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">ghoulsblade:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>yep, me too, a bit like sauerbraten
cooperative mapeditor or that platinum sandbox thingie</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(22:10:47)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>If only they would release a server
that all of the different verse apps can connect to, and that is
easily detectable online</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(22:10:55)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>verse server*</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(22:11:22)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>But it is still too hacky at the
moment..</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(22:11:37)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Even though they got a huuuge
sponsorship to do the project with</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(22:11:55)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>I think Eskil ran away with LOVE and
the money, haha</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(22:57:11)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>nekotaku: Changed the mockup according
to your suggestions</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:00:55)
</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE=3><B>bijoo_appdev
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entered the room.</B></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#98b9c8"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:00:58)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#98b9c8"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bijoo_appdev:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Hi</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#98b9c8"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:01:13)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#98b9c8"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bijoo_appdev:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Anyone familiar withe Free Internet
Chess Server?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:03:18)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>bijoo_appdev: Not sure, I doubt it
though</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:03:42)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>&lt;ghoulsblade&gt; but they didn't
work too well afaik &lt;--- that's right</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:03:52)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>the only one that's developed
actively and works well is Blender's plugin</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:03:58)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>me and Q didn't get to try it out
though</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:04:04)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>GIMP's verse plugin is a huge mess
:/</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:05:47)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Blenders? The version that is being
distributed is ooold, and getting it to work with a new version
requires a recompile (I might be completly wrong though)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:06:04)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>The gimp plugin worked fine with the
Quel Solaar apps though</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:06:11)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>There's always an up-to-date Verse
release for Blender</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:06:12)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>bijoo_appdev:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>@TheAncientGoat: Thanks. I'm
developing a client-server version of LianLianKan
连连看</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:12:15)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Sindwiller: Really? Guess I haven't
searched hard enough/at all then, haha..</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:12:44)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>well, IIRC anyway. Haven't been on
the Blender site for quite a while blah blah :P</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:12:52)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>bijoo_appdev: Cool. Do you know of the
dmz gaming zone? They support server client things for boardgames and
the like</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:13:33)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>bijoo_appdev:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>@TheAncientGoat: I didn't know.
Thanks! Now that I know I'll check it out.</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:13:55)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>Sindwiller:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>TheAncientGoat, nope, you're
righ</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:13:56)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#d5113e"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">Sindwiller:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>*t</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:13:56)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Not sure if its dmz or dmg
though..</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#98b9c8"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:14:20)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#98b9c8"><FONT SIZE=3><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">bijoo_appdev:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>GGZ?</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:14:34)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Yeah, thats the one</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:14:38)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>bijoo_appdev:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>@TheAncientGoat: Did you mean ggz?
<A HREF="http://www.ggzgamingzone.org/docs/overview/architecture/">http://www.ggzgamingzone.org/docs/overview/architecture/</A></FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:14:55)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>bijoo_appdev:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>@TheAncientGoat: Cool, thanks.
:)</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:15:04)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>ggz -&gt; dmz at least I got one
letter correct, hahaha</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:15:27)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#af7f00"><FONT SIZE=3><B>bijoo_appdev:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>@TheAncientGoat: Close enough for
Google!</FONT><BR><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=2><SPAN STYLE="font-weight: normal">(23:16:57)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#204a87"><FONT SIZE=3><B>TheAncientGoat:
</B></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3>Hope it helps</FONT><BR><BR><BR>
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<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(17:02:03) </font></span><b><font size="3">The topic for #freegamer is: Free Software games community - <a href="http://freegamer.blogspot.com">http://freegamer.blogspot.com</a> - Forum: <a href="http://forum.freegamedev.net/">http://forum.freegamedev.net/</a> - Wiki: <a href="http://www.libregamewiki.org/">http://www.libregamewiki.org/</a>  - GameDev : <a href="http://wiki.freegamedev.net/">http://wiki.freegamedev.net/</a> - Planet: <a href="http://planet.freegamedev.net/">http://planet.freegamedev.net/</a></font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:02:55) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Hello everyone</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(17:03:40) </font></span><b><font size="3">bughunter2 [<i>n=jg@77.164.66.126</i>] entered the room.</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(17:15:56) </font></span><b><font size="3">bughunter2 left the room (quit: &quot;Leaving.&quot;).</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(17:19:50) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">lazy_bum: </font></span><font size="3">Hello TheAncientGoat</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(17:19:59) </font></span><b><font size="3">Taldor left the room.</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(17:21:17) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">_Andrew: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat, How is that free version of steam coming?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:21:34) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">lazy_bum: I was spoilt by my last pidgin install, it always notified me when I recieved messages. notsomuch with this one</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:22:08) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">_Andrew: Well, I am at a bit of a crossroads at the moment..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:22:20) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:22:26) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Because a few things can happen</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:22:42) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>I've become more interested since I started doing the networking for hardwar</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#22fbc5">(17:23:30) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #22fbc5;'>lazy_bum: </span>You mean the &quot;open source steam&quot;? Afaik steam(tm) *is* free (you just have to pay for games ;)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:23:35) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Well, the thing is, the p2p version of git that was talked about will take a while to get finished</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:23:48) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">free=/=open source, lazy_bum</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:23:55) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">&gt;&lt;</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:23:58) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Sorry</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:24:06) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Stupid goat</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:24:33) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">I really should learn to read one of these days</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:24:39) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>IMO, distribution it probably the last feature I'm looking for</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:25:30) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>My person wishlist includes some sort of stun server (NAT punchthrough), in game im, friends, joining friends games, achievements</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(17:25:50) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>woha that sounds nice _Andrew</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:26:00) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">_Andrew: that is exactly what I told the djl people to work on..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:26:13) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Instead of making website plugins..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:26:16) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>I couldn't really care about distribution</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:26:46) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>Just use rpm and deb</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:26:50) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Well, those community features are under the community arc at the moment</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:27:49) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>Is there a website for this?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#062585">(17:27:52) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #062585;'><font size="3">***Tranberry </font></span><font size="3">insults his computer</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:27:57) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">the distribution and contribution features are the core of the p2p os game distribution system..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:28:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>ha, there's already a service that does STUN, friends, and sort of achievements. it's only half free, though</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:28:14) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">_Andrew: I do have that wiki thing</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:28:19) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">And djl has a website</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:28:21) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>oh really?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:28:28) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>What's it called?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:28:32) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: really?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:28:44) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">On linux?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:28:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span><a href="http://www.penguinplay.com/">http://www.penguinplay.com/</a></font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:29:10) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Oh yeah. That doesnt count though</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:29:27) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">:P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:29:30) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>Why what is it?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:30:22) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">It is a service for commercial linux games only</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:30:27) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>yeah, well, it does STUN and some community things, but the server is closed source and it costs some monies to use it in your games</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:30:43) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">from linux game publishing</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:30:56) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>technically you could use it for an open source game too</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:31:45) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>costs a two-digit number of monies per year for open source projects IIRC</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(17:32:48) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">_Andrew: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: If you don't mind me saying I think the whole distribution idea for linux is a bit pie in the sky. Why not just detect which games you have running on the system?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:32:49) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I'm still disappointed because it wasn't made completely free</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:33:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>because I really need a project which deals with the things that I mentioned. : P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:33:49) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">_Andrew: Because there are things attempting the community feature set already...</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:34:18) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>Really?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:34:24) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Just push the djl people. They have the installed game detection, they have chat</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:34:45) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">They can implement the gamer profiles and cross game chat too</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:34:56) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">along with the game joining and everything</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:34:58) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>I'm not saying that the idea of game distribution should be abandoned just planned for later development</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:35:46) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>Did you say there was a wiki? Have you got the address?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:36:04) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">The djl guys have a website and forum..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:36:17) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">My distribution system has a psuedo-wiki</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:36:28) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Djl does need a wiki though..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:36:52) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3"><a href="http://www.djl-linux.org/index_en.php">http://www.djl-linux.org/index_en.php</a></font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:37:15) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>there's too much fragmentation :-|</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:37:21) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">I just wish that they coded the thing in english though, because then I'd be able to actually do more</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:37:28) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Fragmentation where?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:39:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>there are quite a lot of community sites and such but very little cooperation</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:39:44) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>I mean this game distribution system, is there a wiki for that?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:40:15) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>I wanted to see if I could help get this thing rolling</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(17:40:16) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>where did q go when I fanaly got something to show him...</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:41:15) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Hey Tranberry :)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(17:41:25) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Tranberry: </font></span><font size="3">hello TheAncientGoat!</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:41:52) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: Totally. And the worst thing is, they don't /want/ to co-operate </font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(17:42:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>yeah that is really strange</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:43:15) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">_Andrew: The thing is, at the moment, if we where to start of by creating the community side first, we'd just be replicating the existing functionality of djl </font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:43:41) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>after looking at djl, I'm happy to do that</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(17:44:28) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>nekotaku: any ideas on how to change the fragmented state we are in?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:45:43) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Did you just look at the site, or the program itself?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(17:46:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>can you link me up tot hat?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(17:46:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>that*</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:46:22) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">djl?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:46:29) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>dunno, I think there's a small possibility of getting some sites to cooperate and/or share data, but you need a solid plan for that</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(17:46:30) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>yes</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:46:39) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3"><a href="http://www.djl-linux.org/index_en.php">http://www.djl-linux.org/index_en.php</a></font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:47:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>It's just a game downloader it doesn't do anything I mentioned earlier</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:47:03) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">The site isnt impressive.. And I dont think it really conveys what it does very well</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(17:47:06) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>nekotaku: what do you think about sharing API?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:47:48) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">_Andrew: It downloads games, detects games, has a chat client, is highly modifyable through plugins..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:48:03) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">And they are about to bring in a profile system</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:48:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>It has IRC</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#8d04df">(17:48:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #8d04df;'>Tranberry: </span>It is clutterd though</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:48:21) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>It was thinking jabber</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:48:57) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Jabber would be much more useful for cross game chat..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:49:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>Indeed it would</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:49:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>There also needs to be voice comms</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:49:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>I wish someone would just reimplement steam..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:50:58) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">The community aspect of steam*</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:52:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>what's so good about Steam other than that there are people using it?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#22fbc5">(17:52:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #22fbc5;'>lazy_bum: </span>games! ;]</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:53:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>jump into friends games, invite people to games, voice communications, achievements, groups (ubuntu group) pick people off the list to play with, user picture which shows up in the game</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:53:33) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">_Andrew: heres the penguinplay featurelist in case you havent seen it of yet <a href="http://www.penguinplay.com/pricelist.cgi?">http://www.penguinplay.com/pricelist.cgi?</a></font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:54:21) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>It looks interesting however I was looking for something more community backed, it's obvious that's not going to last</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:54:27) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">_Andrew: The game devs have to play along too, for some of those features</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(17:55:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>Everything I listed should be in APIs.</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(17:55:20) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Yeah, I dont know how the Linux game publishing people approach things..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:55:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I know :-P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:56:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>if you just want an API that allows all those things, write one</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(17:57:41) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">_Andrew: </font></span><font size="3">Indeed, that's why I'm asking TheAncientGoat about it because he keeps talking about a steam replacement for linux</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:57:50) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>you don't even need a fancy separate application for many of those things</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:57:58) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>just a good library</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(17:59:43) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I'd like one too, but I don't want to join a kitchen sink project. it needs to be something that becomes usable as quickly as possible</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:01:28) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">_Andrew: I don't go on about a steam replacement for linux.. I started off by talking about a system to allow for better distribution that encourages contribution, and creates a more unified community around open source games. At some point, it would essentially envelop steam's features, but my initial idea wasn't &quot;Steam for Linux!&quot;</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(18:01:55) </font></span><b><font size="3">Tranberry1 [<i>n=Pilatus@90-228-241-113-no71.tbcn.telia.com</i>] entered the room.</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(18:02:21) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>I'm not saying you have to RAD it will in a weekend, I'm generally interested in what you have planned</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(18:02:28) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>all in a **</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:02:54) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Nekotaku, it could be up and running in a month, if we set up a torrent tracker and host git repos instead of just normal files :P </font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(18:04:26) </font></span><b><font size="3">Hory [<i>n=Administ@78.97.149.193</i>] entered the room.</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:05:26) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">But that wouldn't provide the upstream modifiability that I want, just a better method for tracking changes to be uploaded to central repo... </font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:06:12) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">But that isn't really what we want, now is it?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(18:06:31) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>So atm there is nothing be developed?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:07:09) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I'm not sure if anyone even agrees what needs to be developed :-P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:07:30) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Yeah, partially, thats the problem</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:08:19) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">The community side and the distribution/contribution side have been pretty much severed</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:09:04) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Conflicted by the fact that there are other projects that could be contributed to to provide similar functionality</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:10:18) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">_Andrew: I wouldn't be able to stand up right now and definitively say &quot;This this and this needs to be coded&quot;, so no, nothing at the moment can be developed</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:11:08) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Unless we where to decide, at this moment, that we want to focus on either arcs</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:12:31) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">If we look at it this way, where do we require the most support, community would definitely win</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:13:14) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">because we need devs to use the apis, and people to use the system</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:13:48) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Just by the way, do you know of PlayFire, _Andrew?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cf585d">(18:16:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cf585d;'>_Andrew: </span>What about it?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:16:08) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">It is a cross game chatting system and game joining service similar to steam</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:16:21) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">and they started working on an open source implementation</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:17:18) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">The thing is, they only managed to get the messaging protocol working</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(18:19:29) </font></span><b><font size="3">Tranberry left the room (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:20:10) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Why'd everyone go so quiet?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:21:20) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>trying my best not to starve to death</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:22:16) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>and coding an asset management application at the same time</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(18:26:58) </font></span><b><font size="3">Sindwiller [<i>n=Sindwill@84-75-19-42.dclient.hispeed.ch</i>] entered the room.</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:28:19) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Hey Sindwiller</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(18:28:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>hiho =)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:28:35) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: Ah, fun, as always :)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(18:28:56) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>hai nekotaku ^^</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(18:29:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iEYs13UjnY">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iEYs13UjnY</a> lol epic</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:29:30) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>more of a necessity than fun stuff, both of them</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:41:25) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">If not dying isnt fun, I dont know what is, haha</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(18:41:43) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7kIclA4yq4">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7kIclA4yq4</a> heh</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(18:46:04) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Tranberry1: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: so have you settled on a path?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(18:48:32) </font></span><b><font size="3">The topic for #freegamer is: Free Software games community - <a href="http://freegamer.blogspot.com">http://freegamer.blogspot.com</a> - Forum: <a href="http://forum.freegamedev.net/">http://forum.freegamedev.net/</a> - Wiki: <a href="http://www.libregamewiki.org/">http://www.libregamewiki.org/</a>  - GameDev : <a href="http://wiki.freegamedev.net/">http://wiki.freegamedev.net/</a> - Planet: <a href="http://planet.freegamedev.net/">http://planet.freegamedev.net/</a></font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:48:52) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Nope, I dont know which is more pertinent..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:49:43) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Maybe time to do some polling?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(18:50:04) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>poll's is no good imo</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(18:50:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>generally we don't know what we want</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:50:15) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Community support vs. Distribution and contribution</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(18:50:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>key is finding what is lacking and fill that gap</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(18:52:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>and I don't think we have nailed that yet</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:53:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>well, there are multiple gaps and one application probably won't plug them all</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(18:53:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Polls &lt; Community discussions :)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(18:53:18) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>then we need to fill the widest gap</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(18:53:20) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Polls will lead to nowhere</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:53:44) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>we could have a poll on that</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#062585">(18:53:54) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #062585;'><font size="3">***Sindwiller </font></span><font size="3">slaps nekotaku around a bit with a large trout</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(18:53:57) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>poll or no poll?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:54:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>poll on polls</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#062585">(18:54:28) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #062585;'><font size="3">***Tranberry1 </font></span><font size="3">do as Sindwiller</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:57:09) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Well, if we look at playerbases, we have how many k people playing in total?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:57:52) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">people playing, using linux*</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:58:28) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">The smaller that number is, the smaller the use of community features are, imo</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(18:59:06) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>dunno, I haven't really played a multiplayer open source game in ages</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:59:22) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Along with the question of which feature will bring in more players, in the end</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(18:59:24) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>that includes non multiplayer games too?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(18:59:54) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Tranberry1: That is true too, non multiplayer games can still benefit from community features</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:00:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>that is belief</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:00:40) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>my*</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:01:28) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>I'n my thinking community fosters contributors, but I have nothing to support my theory</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:01:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>in*</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:01:50) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">That is exactly what i was thinking now, too</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:02:56) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>and I don't think simple community features will be worse then advanced features</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:03:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>trash community and add comunication</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:04:17) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>but then again, what gap is it we shall fill?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:05:04) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>as nekotaku keeps reapeating; a ' do all ' app is not the solution..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:05:24) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I don't think creating a new community thing will necessarily boost contribution as such because most worthwhile games already have their own forums and community</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:06:31) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>and trying to drag all the projects together will be a massive effort</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:06:34) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>can we intergrate something like freegamer community in this? I mean instead of creating a new</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:06:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>nekotaku: yeah it is</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:07:26) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>still ain't something along that line the beast shoot?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:07:34) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>ooops</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:07:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>best*</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:07:47) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>not the hairy beast</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:09:13) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: Current communities do contribute, but there are lots of worthwhile projects who just don't seem to get the community thing right..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:09:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>just look at sf.net</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:09:59) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>but is that something we can fix?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:10:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>probably not, but maybe we ould ease the transition</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:11:28) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Yeah, by narrowing the gap between the players and the community</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:11:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>the thing is just, how to do that</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:13:12) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>First of all, maybe</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:13:28) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>argh</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:13:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>Sindwiller, yeah?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:13:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>just in this moment, I can't remember a word D:</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:13:42) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Instead of having to find the website of x project on the internet, create yet another account on a new site, and then post something to a forum that is most likely deserted, you would be able to comment and talk about a game as easily aas you would launch it</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:13:45) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>gimme a second :P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:13:57) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Sindwiller: I haaaate it when that happens</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(19:14:29) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Tranberry1: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: yeah a central system would be nice</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:15:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>A central community, yeah, that'd be nice :)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:15:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Also ease the introduction to dev tools and content creation tools for the community ;o</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:16:15) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>A Steam-style app would totally cut it</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:16:16) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>imho</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:16:37) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">See, theoretically, that is what sf tried to be. But in the end, i think it was much to sterile to support such things..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:17:05) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I don't think that's the reason</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:17:09) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>well, the thing is, they're an allround site, rather than oriented towards games</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:17:22) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>I think SF faild due to trying to please all</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:17:45) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>well faild might be a bit harsh</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:18:11) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Instead of having a web service for all kinds of crap, we have a local application that connects several services; for *games* :)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:18:34) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>if people have no time and manpower to manage their projects and communities, no number of new community sites will change anything</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:19:11) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>Then we need to take the management of  comunities away from the devs</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:19:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>exactly</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:19:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>(phew, caps lock)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:19:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>For instance</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:19:41) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>When a game is added to the system</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:19:56) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>A board (or whatever else form of community communcation there may be) is automatically created for that one</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:19:57) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>OR</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#062585">(19:20:06) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #062585;'><font size="3">***Tranberry1 </font></span><font size="3">looks at the phone, damn it stop screaming</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:20:28) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>If a player of said game decides there is the need for a community board (or whatever), he can create it</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:20:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>then I must say the anti-word scalability</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:20:55) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Effective administrator rights would have the administrators/moderators/developers of the service</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:21:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Tranberry1, ....?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:21:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>ouch</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:21:26) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>it's a word loathed by cms devs</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:21:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Now I'm starting to use German sentence schemes in English</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:21:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>D:</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:21:49) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>When will it stop... :(</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:21:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>never!</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:21:56) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>All your fault Tranberry1 !</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#062585">(19:21:58) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #062585;'><font size="3">***Sindwiller </font></span><font size="3">points</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:22:06) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>... with a naked finger</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:22:07) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>when you'll shut up :-P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:22:11) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>:P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#062585">(19:22:19) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #062585;'><font size="3">***Tranberry1 </font></span><font size="3">stands up &quot;here I am!&quot;</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#062585">(19:22:30) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #062585;'><font size="3">***Sindwiller </font></span><font size="3">shouts &quot;AHFIGGEREI&quot;</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#062585">(19:23:02) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #062585;'><font size="3">***Tranberry1 </font></span><font size="3">si thinking about throwing the phone out the window</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:23:05) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>is*</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:23:28) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>loool</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:23:40) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>apparently, Figge is a common last name in Sweden, am I right?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#062585">(19:23:45) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #062585;'><font size="3">***Tranberry1 </font></span><font size="3">is thinkning senile people are very anoying..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:23:48) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Mmm, well, that could be most interesting</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:23:55) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>Sindwiller: no never heard of that</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:23:58) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Ah</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:24:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>more of a nickname</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:24:05) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>well</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:24:13) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Using avatars from gamer profiles universally in the system</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:24:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Figge means &quot;to fuck&quot; in Swiss German ;o</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:24:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>Sindwiller: well it's an uncommon nickname</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:24:39) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>:D</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:24:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>I never knew anyone who was called that</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:24:55) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Did you know that music died yesterday?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(19:25:00) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Sindwiller: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat, how so</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:25:04) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>but it is build like a typical swedish nickname</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:25:04) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3"><a href="http://gawker.com/5138788/awful-product-with-awful-ad-makes-awful-music">http://gawker.com/5138788/awful-product-with-awful-ad-makes-awful-music</a></font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#cd627e">(19:25:06) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #cd627e;'>czysetny: </span>&lt;<a href="http://tinyurl.com/d6sysc">http://tinyurl.com/d6sysc</a>&gt; (at gawker.com)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:25:34) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>the ad was audio goatse \o/</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:25:55) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>Microsoft at their best there</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(19:26:35) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Tranberry1: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: what do you think about the removement of comunity management from devs?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:26:58) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>Freaking f*cking phone, just die!!!</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:28:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>even if people could create forums at will, what would that change?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:28:04) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Tranberry1: I dont quite believe in /total/ removement</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:28:42) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>no that is not what it should be either just lessen the stress</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:29:09) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>too much talk, not enough action</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:29:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>that's all i can say.</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:29:20) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">I do think, however, that if devs could focus on deving, instead of webhosting, and forum moderation, and advertisement, etc etc, their lives would be easier</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:29:24) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>nekotaku: I don't think forum creation is the solution but some kind of cumunication like a forum</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:29:38) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>quin: what shall be done then?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:29:44) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>i agree, but its not like anyone is actually doing it</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:30:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>to me we don't even know that now</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:30:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>but moderating forums is easy... especially dead ones :-P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:31:04) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">quin: We're still between 2 paths here.. You cant exactly start walking down both..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:31:56) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Although, the distribution path needs more intensive development than the community one</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:32:01) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>the FOSS game community has been sitting at that fork in the road for over a decade now</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:32:12) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>most have set up camp on the side of the road and started a carnival</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:32:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>lol</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:32:49) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>well, it's true :)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:33:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>quin, I don't mean to offend anybody, but as for the implementation, there's been too much action and no talking if you ask me. :P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:33:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>Sindwiller:</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:33:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>if nobody else acts, devs like me will just do it themselves</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:33:18) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>I'm with you there</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:33:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>FOSS games' design are NULL and void. :P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:33:31) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>we can't wait for everyone to keep chatting about it until they're blue in the face</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:33:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>As I said, I don't mean to offend anyone</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:33:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>I'm a lazy ass person myself :/</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:34:10) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>But what I'm at least good at is talking and thinking stuff out and through :)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:34:31) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>the problem is, i've heard every argument and rhetort and suggestion now</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(19:35:03) </font></span><b><font size="3">The topic for #freegamer is: Free Software games community - <a href="http://freegamer.blogspot.com">http://freegamer.blogspot.com</a> - Forum: <a href="http://forum.freegamedev.net/">http://forum.freegamedev.net/</a> - Wiki: <a href="http://www.libregamewiki.org/">http://www.libregamewiki.org/</a>  - GameDev : <a href="http://wiki.freegamedev.net/">http://wiki.freegamedev.net/</a> - Planet: <a href="http://planet.freegamedev.net/">http://planet.freegamedev.net/</a></font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:35:09) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>i'm well aware of what goat is doing, and i support the effort</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:35:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>quin, of course, we're talking about two extremes now</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:35:30) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>if it turns out it becomes something useable for everyone, it will get my endorsement</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:35:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>:)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:35:58) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>i just hear this same conversation at least once a week now</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:36:04) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">quin, do you have logs/links of the previous discussions?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:36:12) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>that be grat</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:36:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>ee</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:36:19) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">The discussions being had here?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:36:29) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>i guess most of the time i just ranted here</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:36:40) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>i turned off my log facility 5 years ago when it reached 6GB</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:36:47) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>lol</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:37:09) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>half a decade of chatting will do that :P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:37:24) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>All that rant would be usefull if we could put it in a orderd doc</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:37:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>fu*king phone, don't you get it noone is home..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:37:55) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>its also that there's never really a one size fits all solution</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:38:07) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>what works for steam won't work for 100 disparate FOSS projects</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:38:21) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Why so?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:38:30) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>that's why we need to just don't please everyone</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:38:30) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">But if the conversation which quin is talking of mainly came from the fgd community, we still have all those views being represaented in person</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:38:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>because of how the vision of each differs</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:38:39) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>I mean, we have half a dozen Linux/FOSS gaming communities covering loads of games</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:38:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Ah</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:39:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>take sauerbraten as an extreme example</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:39:18) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>You run Sauerbraten over that app.</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:39:18) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>owner won't let anything change in that community</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:39:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>yeah but the owner is never gonna promote the app</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:39:38) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>which is what sells it</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:39:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>._o?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:40:05) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">yes, very ?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(19:40:08) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Sindwiller: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat, link him to DJL real quick</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:40:12) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>i'm trying to think of a good way to phrase it</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:40:16) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>i've seen DJL</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:40:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>each oss game project sets up their own community/website/etc because of one fundamental law of open source development</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:40:56) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>rely on no-one.</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:41:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>trust only yourself to get the job done.</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:41:20) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>that needs to change</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:41:22) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>volunteers come as quickly as they disappear</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:41:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>i personally won't let anyone do the website for bloodfrontier.com</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:41:37) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Nobody said the system would be the #1 location of discussion</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:41:46) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>because three times i gave the job to someone, they made the website, and disappeared</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:41:50) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>that's why I don't want to please everyone</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:41:56) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>leaving me to deal with something i neither understand nor able to operate</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:42:24) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>so hence the dev will just go with something they themselves can both operate an manage</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:42:39) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>and i'm only pulling from my own actual experience here, but i'd say the sentiment is everywhere</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:43:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Off topic: OMFG one of your guys' last name is Blocher o_____O</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:43:12) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>this system could be that simple way of management</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:43:12) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Carry on. :P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:43:14) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>lol</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:43:26) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>verbal is awesome 2d artist tho :)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:43:46) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>well i made my point, i don't wanna rant again :P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:43:55) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>quin, it's a good point though</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:44:20) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Knowledge, even vague knowledge, can be useful once written down :)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:44:21) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>quin: to me all that just screams &quot;there are no good CMS&quot;</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:44:31) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Discussions, rants, blah, whatever</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:45:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I don't think it's an infrastructure problem at all, but a people problem</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:45:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>As I said though</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:45:57) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>nekotaku: please rant about that :D I want to understand what you mean</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:46:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>The system's community service would be ONE community as-is</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:46:16) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Not THE community, rather one community</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:46:27) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Well, then change the project from a software project, to sociological one :D Make people good people!</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:46:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>quin, and there are quite a few individual Sauerbraten communities out there, right?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:46:37) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>Tranberry1, quite correct - making a website is a hard task because it involves trying to integrate 3 or 4 different pieces of software</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(19:46:53) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Sindwiller: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat, that would rather be philosophy rather than socialogy :S</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:46:56) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>ouch</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:46:58) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>*sociology</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:47:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>when a project has a forum, even if empty, you can go talk there. you can email contributions and do stuff. now, why don't people do anything?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:47:05) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>depends how you look at it, the only successful ones are the ones that are locale specific</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:47:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>eu/de/fr</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:47:24) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>And this one would be service specific :)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:47:29) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>and then you have the &quot;cube based&quot; games</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:47:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>And if the service even corresponds to the developer's wishes, he might consider moving the community to the service, as well</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:48:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>Sindwiller: I think you are on to something there</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:48:10) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: Because it takes effort to use the forum </font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:48:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>i think you have the idea there, it has to be sellable to devs and end-users</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:48:30) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Exactly</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:48:59) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>i mean i look at DJL and i'll give you the same response you get from everyone</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:49:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>its clunky, verbose, and platform specific</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:50:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>when you get a response like that more than once, you need to re-evaluate</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:50:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>blood frontier's next release is almost a completely different game from the last release</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:50:32) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>mostly because of negative feedback, especially concerning the physics</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:51:11) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>OH YEAH</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:51:11) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>:P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:51:17) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>The physics were annoying as hell :)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:51:20) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>Sindwiller ?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:51:24) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>aha</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(19:52:15) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">nekotaku: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: no matter what kind of forum it is, it will take approximately the same effort, and very little in that. no matter if there are zero or thousand users, posting will take the same effort</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:52:39) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>but people don't want to establish anything, they just want to be a part of</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:52:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>nekotaku: yeah but you want have to set it up</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:52:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>i personally prefer IRC</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:52:55) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>won't*</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:52:56) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>then you get people grouping together helping each other</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:53:06) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>rather than running around helping them yourselves</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:53:11) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>^^</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:53:21) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>depends on the forum I guess</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:53:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>y'know what i find amusing?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(19:53:42) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Nope</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:53:51) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>the cube forums do away with the whole registration problem, but it still sucks by standard</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:54:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>and thats the #1 complaint about using a forum</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:54:10) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>&quot;aw i dont wanna register just to post one comment&quot;</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:54:30) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: See, you have the gist there. The effort/percieved reward ratio is the one to look at here. If people see a busy forum, the chances of them joining and posting are greater, because of group mentality</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:54:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>yeah forums are hard to use in geneal, I myself hate reading them all</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:54:43) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>at*</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:55:11) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">quin: The problem with the cube forums are that they feel very insubstantial...</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:55:16) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>in worst case they are empty, and even worse they are full..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(19:55:20) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">nekotaku: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: which makes it a people problem</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:55:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>and fixing people is hard</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:55:44) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>following a thread is ok only if you were with it from the start</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:55:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>the registration and whatever don't really have that much significance</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(19:56:09) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">quin: </font></span><font size="3">i agree theancientgoat, not something that is changable though</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:56:21) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>but at least they work i suppose, more than i can say for some games</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:57:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>hmm</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:57:53) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: Yet forums are successful in many cases. </font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(19:58:18) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">What makes a successful forum then, the question is</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:58:38) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>i think for one, the login needs to have some other use</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:58:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>be it wiki or other community errata</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(19:59:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>one login to rule them all</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#062585">(19:59:05) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #062585;'><font size="3">***quin </font></span><font size="3">nods</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:59:11) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>that's the #2 complaint i see</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(19:59:51) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>the community makes the forum successful</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(19:59:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>but nekotaku is correct, its the people that make a community</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(20:00:18) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>cube was a horrid mess of noob haters and closed mindedness when i turned up</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:00:46) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>lol</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(20:00:46) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>granted, the latter still applies somewhat, but at least now you get an answer rather than flamed on the forum/irc</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:00:46) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>then we need a warning system</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(20:01:15) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>and i think i gave eihrul hope again</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(20:01:24) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>he was very sour when i first came along</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(20:01:50) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>he'd just been left alone to deal with sauer for so long he despised the people</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(20:02:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>dunno if despised is the right word, but i think we all know how support burnout feels</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(20:02:27) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Tranberry1: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: what's your thoughts now?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:02:31) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">But think of how awesome this would be. Login for /all/ game accounts, forums, chatrooms, profiles, wikis etc etc</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:02:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>I guess that was also the time when I asked for normal maps on models lol</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(20:02:52) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Sindwiller: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat, there's this OpenID thingie, but... I don't really trust them that much</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:03:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>and it's kinda clunky *shrugs*</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:03:10) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Open ID never worked for me</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:03:12) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>the openID thing is just a pain</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(20:03:16) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Sindwiller: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat, remove the chatrooms thing though</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:03:17) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">So I never used it'</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:03:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>IRC is the way to go :)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:03:40) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Username authentication, then</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:03:45) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">:P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(20:04:01) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>openid has aparrently failed as a auth system</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(20:04:05) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>if you believe what you read</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:04:05) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Nah, seriously, don't exaggerate :P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:04:30) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>IRC is a completely different system. The app might feature an IRC client, but not automatic username authentification and stufff</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:05:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>I like how comenting on most blogs work</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:05:30) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">So in order to be able to talk to anyone they'd have to go /auth blah blah every time they log in?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:05:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Well, that's the featureset of the IRC client</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:06:17) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">I don't think that that's the way to go, sind..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:06:37) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>What I meant was automatically registering an username for IRC when registering an acc in the system.</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:06:40) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Which is No-Go</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:06:41) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>:P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(20:07:39) </font></span><b><font size="3">dusted [<i>n=DST@77.68.146.169</i>] entered the room.</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:07:43) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>hai dusted</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#7bb2e2">(20:08:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #7bb2e2;'>dusted: </span>Hi Sindwiller</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#f34bf0">(20:08:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #f34bf0;'>mazling: </span>moo, and un-moo</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:08:07) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Why not though, if you use a system hosted irc client?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(20:08:09) </font></span><b><font size="3">mazling left the room (quit: &quot;i've got my car and my tv, what should i care about you and your fun?&quot;).</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:08:10) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>do we actually even need project specific forums that badly? couldn't we just have one huge forum where people make threads about games they like and find ways to improve them and then do so?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:08:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>nekotaku, well, that'd be a start, too</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:08:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>:)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:08:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I like the way FGD works, though I wish people were more keen to work together on random things</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(20:09:09) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Sindwiller: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat, no, no, no... you don't want to split all the communties, right? :/</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:09:10) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">nekotaku: You invite the forces of chaos into the fabric of the system :)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:09:15) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>lol</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:09:47) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>It's funny to observe how we talk about the misterious system though ;o</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:09:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>:P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:09:56) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Haha</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:09:58) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>YOU'RE GOING TO ANGER THE SYSTEM - OHNOES</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:10:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>:P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:10:13) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">brb, need to eat, or something</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:10:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>anyway</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#7bb2e2">(20:10:26) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #7bb2e2;'>dusted: </span>I hate ubuntu</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:10:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>if I shutup someone is bound to say what I think</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:10:37) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>If there is a IRC client built-in</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:10:44) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Or rather</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#7bb2e2">(20:10:46) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #7bb2e2;'>dusted: </span>I really fucking hate ubuntu, I'll join #ubuntu and tell them that I hate it</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:10:47) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>(better idea)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:10:56) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>If there's the possibility to install an existing IRC client through the system</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:11:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>dusted, o_O what's up?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:11:22) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Freenode and Gamesurge would be the main networks I'd guess ;o</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#7bb2e2">(20:11:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #7bb2e2;'>dusted: </span>Ahh, that felt good..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:11:38) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>... :-P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:11:44) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>Sindwiller: are there no micro-irc that could be included sans all worthless shiite like the trout stuff</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:11:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>lol</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(20:12:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>eh, IRC is a rocky path though</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:12:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Tranberry1, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllll</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:12:05) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>:/</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(20:12:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>before games, i wrote ircds</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#7bb2e2">(20:12:09) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #7bb2e2;'>dusted: </span>Well, my boss wants to try linux, and he wanted ubuntu, so that I gave him, things works.. In ubuntus own quirky way.. Until I installed the restricted package with codecs and goodies, then upon reboot, grub error 17</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:12:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>quin, yeah, might be even better if we leave it out in the beginning :P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#7bb2e2">(20:12:22) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #7bb2e2;'>dusted: </span>I said &quot;wtf, okay, nevermind, I'll take your laptop home and fix it&quot;</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#7bb2e2">(20:12:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #7bb2e2;'>dusted: </span>so, I bring it home, and boot it up..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#7bb2e2">(20:12:37) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #7bb2e2;'>dusted: </span>No error..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:12:40) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>lol</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(20:12:51) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>ugh, don't use grub</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#7bb2e2">(20:12:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #7bb2e2;'>dusted: </span>actually, that's prolly not ubuntu's mistake, but I'll blame it anyway</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:13:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>quin, lol, you still use Lilo? :P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#7bb2e2">(20:13:04) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #7bb2e2;'>dusted: </span>quin, I like grup, because I can figure it out :P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(20:13:16) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>grub does that in mixed systems with funk hdd setups</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(20:13:20) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>funky*</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:13:28) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>ubuntu just hates your boss</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:13:34) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>yeah</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:13:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>so that's it we solved the problem, hurray for us!</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(20:13:56) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>i use windows, so uh.. no i don't use lilo :P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#7bb2e2">(20:13:57) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #7bb2e2;'>dusted: </span>I think so too, I hate my boss too, since he disagrees with me that &quot;Groups&quot; are a more logical expression for... groups of documents than &quot;Folders&quot;</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(20:14:10) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>but when i use linux, i usually use lilo yes :P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:14:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>quin, ^^</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#7bb2e2">(20:14:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #7bb2e2;'>dusted: </span>li li li li -&gt;</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(20:14:27) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>'cause i know it and have used it for over a decade</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(20:14:30) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>and it works</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#7bb2e2">(20:14:33) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #7bb2e2;'>dusted: </span>and then I stopped using it :å</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(20:15:03) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>lol, bad MBR ptr</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(20:15:25) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>happens when you write to the MBR but store it on a partition</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:15:31) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>I haven't had trouble with grub ever since my old hard disk finished dying</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(20:15:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>with how i abuse my pc, my hd is always dying :P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:16:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>Sindwiller: did you post yet?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:16:05) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Tranberry1, nope</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:16:10) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Tranberry1, I'm busy with school crap :(</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:16:11) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>:/</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:16:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>actually</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:16:18) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>ditch that Sindwiller</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:16:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>I haven't even started D:</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:16:30) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>with the school stuff that is</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:16:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>you got a pretty picture I know, you showed me</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:16:41) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>,</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:16:42) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>;o</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:16:46) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>I got a second one</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:16:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>show me!</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:18:01) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Tranberry1, <a href="http://rgames.tuxfamily.org/wp-content/system.png">http://rgames.tuxfamily.org/wp-content/system.png</a></font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:18:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>;o</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:18:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>much more advanced, the ships are a bit hard to see though</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:18:56) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Back :)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:19:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>well, it's a diagram :P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:19:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>the ships too?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:19:19) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>:P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:19:26) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>The main point is to recognize them as ships ;P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:19:39) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>lol</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:19:42) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>Balkan Beat Party - Macedonian</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:20:05) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>my Serbian friend has some weird stuff in his music library :)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(20:20:35) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Tranberry1: </font></span><font size="3">thanks the overlord you are back TheAncientGoat, we are off path, lost and confused. Please show us the way :D</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:20:42) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>lol</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:20:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>I'm going to quit IRC for a while :)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:20:56) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>to improve my productivity :P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#d5113e">(20:21:02) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #d5113e;'>Sindwiller: </span>bai bai</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:21:05) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>ahh, noooooo!</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(20:21:12) </font></span><b><font size="3">Sindwiller left the room (quit: &quot;Victory shall be mine&quot;).</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:21:44) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>damn, I thought I could keep him here in suspense</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(20:22:30) </font></span><b><font size="3">ghouly left the room (quit: &quot;Leaving&quot;).</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(20:22:49) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Tranberry1: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: what are you doing now?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:23:36) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Pondering.</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:24:36) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">And eating pie</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:24:38) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">:D</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:24:47) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>sweet stuff</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:25:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>that reminds me, you are supposed to eat each day right?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:27:29) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Depends on the phases of the moon, the amount of sunflares, and the frequency of earth's vibrations</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:28:17) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>ohh, I thought you only had to eat once every year and then..</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:28:52) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>..die? :-P</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:29:09) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>:)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:29:42) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>are there any good forum software out there, any at all?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#dd6d29">(20:30:50) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #dd6d29;'>CIA-37: </span>scourge: gabortorok * r3047 /trunk/scourge/src/render/ (5 files): more work on town transparency</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:30:58) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>phpBB?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:31:38) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>nekotaku: is it your opinion that phpBB is good?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#469cd6">(20:32:23) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #469cd6;'>quin: </span>vanilla is pretty good too, it's what i'm using</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:32:24) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>good enough for my dead community at least</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:32:53) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>ain't phpBB just feature frenzy?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:33:13) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>I tried vanilla, like somewhat</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:33:17) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>liked*</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:33:29) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>dunno, it might be, but since sourceforge hosts it, I don't care</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:35:52) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Why so?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#af7f00">(20:37:40) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #af7f00;'><font size="3">Tranberry1: </font></span><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: why what?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#7bb2e2">(20:37:49) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #7bb2e2;'>dusted: </span>sf.net is not opensource anymore, so some people don't like it</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:38:34) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">0.0 Really?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:38:47) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">When did that happen?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:38:54) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>those people will just love the internet in general</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#7bb2e2">(20:38:58) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #7bb2e2;'>dusted: </span>I read somewhere that their software is no longer free software, and only the old version is available</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#7bb2e2">(20:39:48) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #7bb2e2;'>dusted: </span>nekotaku, well, I don't see the problem really, since I'm also developing non-free</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(20:40:23) </font></span><b><font size="3">sebi__ left the room (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#7bb2e2">(20:41:08) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #7bb2e2;'>dusted: </span>people are not always too keen on paying thousands of dollars for something and seeing that being given away for free, sometimes they are, but not always, even when I tell them that it gives good pr</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(20:41:55) </font></span><b><font size="3">tidbit [<i>n=Joey@74-47-47-223.dr01.wyng.mn.frontiernet.net</i>] entered the room.</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#7bb2e2">(20:41:56) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #7bb2e2;'>dusted: </span>Uhm, if some corp commisioned a free software project to be written, would they be able to deduct it in tax as a charity ? :D</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:42:17) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">It should :)</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#a40000">(20:42:36) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #a40000;'>nekotaku: </span>probably depends on where they are located</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#7bb2e2">(20:42:47) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #7bb2e2;'>dusted: </span>ofc</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(20:47:04) </font></span><b><font size="3">hagish [<i>n=hagish@91-66-138-164-dynip.superkabel.de</i>] entered the room.</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:52:42) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>why are there no xampp for lighttpp?</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:53:12) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Tranberry1: Where are you setting up a forum, if I may ask/</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:53:35) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>I just want to test some webapps localy</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#e8634e">(20:54:00) </font></font></span><font size="3"><span style='font-weight: normal;color: #e8634e;'>Tranberry1: </span>and I don't want to f**k up my system with the xampp</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(20:55:05) </font></span><b><font size="3">charlieg [<i>n=charles@91.109.110.53</i>] entered the room.</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2">(20:55:05) </font></span><b><font size="3">mode (+o charlieg ) by ChanServ</font></b><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:55:09) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Ah, I see</font><br>
<span style='font-weight: normal;'><font size="2"><font color="#204a87">(20:55:12) </font></font></span><span style='font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;'><font size="3">TheAncientGoat: </font></span><font size="3">Hey charlieg</font>
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!Definition as used in this document:

The network of people using a game, and the information that is created by their discussion. 

!Summary of the Contribution arc

!![[Goals]]:

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!![[Features]]:

<<tiddler "Features##[[Community]]">>

!![[Implementation]]:

<<tiddler "Implementation##[[Community]]">>

!Definition as used in this document:

The act of improving and enriching a project, through various means

!Summary of the Contribution arc

!![[Goals]]:

<<tiddler "Goals##[[Contribution]]:">>

!![[Features]]:

<<tiddler "Features##[[Contribution]]">>

!![[Implementation]]:

<<tiddler "Implementation##[[Contribution]]">>

People sofar involved in this project (albeit only through discussion and inspiration):

Tranberry
TheAncientGoat
Sindwiller
nekotaku
Taldor
zot
Diablo150
dk
goundy
elcugo
_m64_
KIAze

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|Nick/Username|ALL|Key identifier for account|N|
|Contribution List |dvcs profile, users database|List of games contributed to|N|
|Achievements|dvcs profile, cont. achievements database, users database|Contribution achievements|N|
|Rating|dvcs profile, rating database, users database|Rating of users contribution|N|
|Game List|user game database, users database|List of games user plays|N|
|Achievements|user game database, game achievements database, users database|Game Achievements|N|
|Rating|user game database, users database|Rating of user as a player|N|
|Friends List|users database|List of game, development friends and contacts|N|
|Email|users database|Contact detail|O|
|Biography|users database|Longer description for account personalization|O|
|Quote/sig|users database|Small sentence to personify user|O|
|Password|users database|Used to secure accounts|Y|
|Blocklist|users database|Blocks Users (content and conversation)|Y|

!!!!Shown
# Nick/Username (Account key, linked to password) 
# Contribution List 
## Achievements 
## Rating
# Game List 
## Achievements
## Rating
# Friend List

!!!!Optional
# Email
# Biography
# Quote/Sig

!!!!Hidden
#Password
#Blocklist

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[[Introduction]]

<<tiddler "Goals##Definite">>
<<tiddler "Goals##Contribution##Definite">>

|!Log|!Summary|!Participants|h
|[[CL: #freegamedev 12 Jan 09]]| Covers idea proposal and overall goals| |
|[[CL: #freegamedev 14 Jan 09]]| Discusses design doc and specifies goals| |
|[[CL: #freegamedev 15 Jan 09]]| Discusses gui mockup and project spliting| |
|[[CL: #freegamedev 26 Jan 09]]| Discusses community arc and other projects| |
|[[CL: #freegamedev 01 Feb 09]]| Discusses contribution arc| |

!Definition as used in this document

The act of propagating game data to users.

!Summary of the Distribution arc 

!![[Goals]]:

<<tiddler "Goals##[[Distribution]]:">>

!![[Features]]:

<<tiddler "Features##[[Distribution]]">>

!![[Implementation]]:

<<tiddler "Implementation##[[Distribution]]">>

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|''Name:''|EasyEditPlugin|
|''Description:''|Lite and extensible Wysiwyg editor for TiddlyWiki.|
|''Version:''|1.3.3|
|''Date:''|Dec 21,2007|
|''Source:''|http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html|
|''Author:''|Pascal Collin|
|''License:''|[[BSD open source license|License]]|
|''~CoreVersion:''|2.1.0|
|''Browser:''|Firefox 2.0; InternetExplorer 6.0|
!Demo
*On the plugin [[homepage|http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html]], see [[WysiwygDemo]] and use the {{{write}}} button.
!Installation
#import the plugin,
#save and reload,
#use the <<toolbar easyEdit>> button in the tiddler's toolbar (in default ViewTemplate) or add {{{easyEdit}}} command in your own toolbar.
! Useful Addons
*[[HTMLFormattingPlugin|http://www.tiddlytools.com/#HTMLFormattingPlugin]] to embed wiki syntax in html tiddlers.<<br>>//__Tips__ : When this plugin is installed, you can use anchor syntax to link tiddlers in wysiwyg mode (example : #example). Anchors are converted back and from wiki syntax when editing.//
*[[TaggedTemplateTweak|http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#TaggedTemplateTweak]] to use alternative ViewTemplate/EditTemplate for tiddler's tagged with specific tag values.
!Configuration
|Buttons in the toolbar (empty = all).<<br>>//Example : bold,underline,separator,forecolor//<<br>>The buttons will appear in this order.| <<option txtEasyEditorButtons>>|
|EasyEditor default height | <<option txtEasyEditorHeight>>|
|Stylesheet applied to the edited richtext |[[EasyEditDocStyleSheet]]|
|Template called by the {{{write}}} button |[[EasyEditTemplate]]|
!How to extend EasyEditor
*To add your own buttons, add some code like the following in a systemConfig tagged tiddler (//use the prompt attribute only if there is a parameter//) :
**{{{EditorToolbar.buttons.heading = {label:"H", toolTip : "Set heading level", prompt: "Enter heading level"};}}} 
**{{{EditorToolbar.buttonsList +=",heading";}}}
*To get the list of all possible commands, see the documentation of the [[Gecko built-in rich text editor|http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Midas]] or the [[IE command identifiers|http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms533049.aspx]].
*To go further in customization, see [[Link button|EasyEditPlugin-LinkButton]] as an example.
!Code
***/

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var IEeditor={};

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// TW2.1.x compatibility
config.browser.isGecko = config.browser.isGecko ? config.browser.isGecko : (config.userAgent.indexOf("gecko") != -1); 
config.macros.annotations = config.macros.annotations ? config.macros.annotations : {handler : function() {}}


// EASYEDITOR MACRO

config.macros.easyEdit = {
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// EASYEDITOR CLASS

function easyEditor(tiddler,field,place,height) {
	this.tiddler = tiddler;
	this.field = field;
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	this.wrapper.setAttribute("easyEdit",this.field);
	this.iframe = createTiddlyElement(null,"iframe");
	this.browser.setupFrame(this.iframe,height,contextualCallback(this,this.onload));
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		this.doc.designMode = "on";
		if (this.browser.reloadOnDesignMode) return false;	// IE fire readystatechange after designMode change
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	var internalCSS = store.getTiddlerText("EasyEditDocStyleSheet");
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	this.browser.initContent(this.doc,store.getValue(this.tiddler,this.field));

	var barElement=createTiddlyElement(null,"div",null,"easyEditorToolBar");
	this.wrapper.insertBefore(barElement,this.wrapper.firstChild);
	this.toolbar = new EditorToolbar(this.doc,barElement,this.editor);

	this.browser.plugEvents(this.doc,contextualCallback(this,this.scheduleButtonsRefresh));
	this.editor.focus();
}

easyEditor.SimplePreProcessoror = function(text) {
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	var value = (htmlValue && (htmlValue.length>0)) ? htmlValue[1] : text;
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}

easyEditor.prototype.scheduleButtonsRefresh=function() { //doesn't refresh buttons state when rough typing
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	this.nextUpdate = window.setTimeout(contextualCallback(this.toolbar,EditorToolbar.onUpdateButton),easyEditor.buttonDelay);
}

easyEditor.buttonDelay = 200;

// TOOLBAR CLASS

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		if (button) {
			if (button.separator)
				createTiddlyElement(row,"td",null,"separator").innerHTML+="&nbsp;";
			else {
				var cell=createTiddlyElement(row,"td",null,b+"Button");
				if (button.onCreate) button.onCreate.call(this, cell, b);
				else EditorToolbar.createButton.call(this, cell, b);
			}
		}
	}
}

EditorToolbar.createButton = function(place,name){
	this.elements[name] = createTiddlyButton(place,EditorToolbar.buttons[name].label,EditorToolbar.buttons[name].toolTip,contextualCallback(this,EditorToolbar.onCommand(name)),"button");
}

EditorToolbar.onCommand = function(name){
	var button = EditorToolbar.buttons[name];
	return function(){
		var parameter = false;
		if (button.prompt) {
			var parameter = this.target.queryCommandValue(name);
			parameter = prompt(button.prompt,parameter);
		}
		if (parameter != null) {
			this.target.execCommand(name, false, parameter);
			EditorToolbar.onUpdateButton.call(this);
		}
		return false;
	}
}

EditorToolbar.getCommandState = function(target,name){
	try {return target.queryCommandState(name)}
	catch(e){return false}
}

EditorToolbar.onRefreshButton = function (name){
	if (EditorToolbar.getCommandState(this.target,name)) addClass(this.elements[name].parentNode,"buttonON");
	else removeClass(this.elements[name].parentNode,"buttonON");
	this.window.focus();
}

EditorToolbar.onUpdateButton = function(){
	for (b in this.elements) 
		if (EditorToolbar.buttons[b].onRefresh) EditorToolbar.buttons[b].onRefresh.call(this,b);
		else EditorToolbar.onRefreshButton.call(this,b);
}

EditorToolbar.buttons = {
	separator : {separator : true},
	bold : {label:"B", toolTip : "Bold"},
	italic : {label:"I", toolTip : "Italic"},
	underline : {label:"U", toolTip : "Underline"},
	strikethrough : {label:"S", toolTip : "Strikethrough"},
	insertunorderedlist : {label:"\u25CF", toolTip : "Unordered list"},
	insertorderedlist : {label:"1.", toolTip : "Ordered list"},
	justifyleft : {label:"[\u2261", toolTip : "Align left"},
	justifyright : {label:"\u2261]", toolTip : "Align right"},
	justifycenter : {label:"\u2261", toolTip : "Align center"},
	justifyfull : {label:"[\u2261]", toolTip : "Justify"},
	removeformat : {label:"\u00F8", toolTip : "Remove format"},
	fontsize : {label:"\u00B1", toolTip : "Set font size", prompt: "Enter font size"},
	forecolor : {label:"C", toolTip : "Set font color", prompt: "Enter font color"},
	fontname : {label:"F", toolTip : "Set font name", prompt: "Enter font name"},
	heading : {label:"H", toolTip : "Set heading level", prompt: "Enter heading level (example : h1, h2, ...)"},
	indent : {label:"\u2192[", toolTip : "Indent paragraph"},
	outdent : {label:"[\u2190", toolTip : "Outdent paragraph"},
	inserthorizontalrule : {label:"\u2014", toolTip : "Insert an horizontal rule"},
	insertimage : {label:"\u263C", toolTip : "Insert image", prompt: "Enter image url"}
}

EditorToolbar.buttonsList = "bold,italic,underline,strikethrough,separator,increasefontsize,decreasefontsize,fontsize,forecolor,fontname,separator,removeformat,separator,insertparagraph,insertunorderedlist,insertorderedlist,separator,justifyleft,justifyright,justifycenter,justifyfull,indent,outdent,separator,heading,separator,inserthorizontalrule,insertimage";

if (config.browser.isGecko) {
	EditorToolbar.buttons.increasefontsize = {onCreate : EditorToolbar.createButton, label:"A", toolTip : "Increase font size"};
	EditorToolbar.buttons.decreasefontsize = {onCreate : EditorToolbar.createButton, label:"A", toolTip : "Decrease font size"};
	EditorToolbar.buttons.insertparagraph = {label:"P", toolTip : "Format as paragraph"};
}

// GECKO (FIREFOX, ...) BROWSER SPECIFIC METHODS

geckoEditor.setupFrame = function(iframe,height,callback) {
	iframe.setAttribute("style","width: 100%; height:" + height);
	iframe.addEventListener("load",callback,true);
}

geckoEditor.plugEvents = function(doc,onchange){
	doc.addEventListener("keyup", onchange, true);
	doc.addEventListener("keydown", onchange, true);
	doc.addEventListener("click", onchange, true);
}

geckoEditor.postProcessor = function(text){return text};

geckoEditor.preProcessor = function(text){return easyEditor.SimplePreProcessoror(text)}

geckoEditor.isDocReady = function() {return true;}

geckoEditor.reloadOnDesignMode=false;

geckoEditor.initContent = function(doc,content){
	if (content) doc.execCommand("insertHTML",false,geckoEditor.preProcessor(content));
}

// INTERNET EXPLORER BROWSER SPECIFIC METHODS
	
IEeditor.setupFrame = function(iframe,height,callback) {
	iframe.width="99%";  //IE displays the iframe at the bottom if 100%. CSS layout problem ? I don't know. To be studied...
	iframe.height=height.toString();
	iframe.attachEvent("onreadystatechange",callback);
}

IEeditor.plugEvents = function(doc,onchange){
	doc.attachEvent("onkeyup", onchange);
	doc.attachEvent("onkeydown", onchange);
	doc.attachEvent("onclick", onchange);
}

IEeditor.isDocReady = function(doc){
	if (doc.readyState!="complete") return false;
	if (!doc.body) return false;
	return (doc && doc.getElementsByTagName && doc.getElementsByTagName("head") && doc.getElementsByTagName("head").length>0);
}

IEeditor.postProcessor = function(text){return text};

IEeditor.preProcessor = function(text){return easyEditor.SimplePreProcessoror(text)}

IEeditor.reloadOnDesignMode=true;

IEeditor.initContent = function(doc,content){
	if (content) doc.body.innerHTML=IEeditor.preProcessor(content);
}
	
function contextualCallback(obj,func){
    return function(){return func.call(obj)}
}
	
Story.prototype.previousGatherSaveEasyEdit = Story.prototype.previousGatherSaveEasyEdit ? Story.prototype.previousGatherSaveEasyEdit : Story.prototype.gatherSaveFields; // to avoid looping if this line is called several times
Story.prototype.gatherSaveFields = function(e,fields){
	if(e && e.getAttribute) {
		var f = e.getAttribute("easyEdit");
		if(f){
			var newVal = config.macros.easyEdit.gather(e);
			if (newVal) fields[f] = newVal;
		}
		this.previousGatherSaveEasyEdit(e, fields);
	}
}

config.commands.easyEdit={
	text: "write",
	tooltip: "Edit this tiddler in wysiwyg mode",
	readOnlyText: "view",
	readOnlyTooltip: "View the source of this tiddler",
	handler : function(event,src,title) {
		clearMessage();
		var tiddlerElem = document.getElementById(story.idPrefix + title);
		var fields = tiddlerElem.getAttribute("tiddlyFields");
		story.displayTiddler(null,title,"EasyEditTemplate",false,null,fields);
		return false;
	}
}

config.shadowTiddlers.ViewTemplate = config.shadowTiddlers.ViewTemplate.replace(/\+editTiddler/,"+editTiddler easyEdit");

config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditTemplate = config.shadowTiddlers.EditTemplate.replace(/macro='edit text'/,"macro='easyEdit text'");

config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditToolBarStyleSheet = "/*{{{*/\n";
config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditToolBarStyleSheet += ".easyEditorToolBar {font-size:0.8em}\n" ;
config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditToolBarStyleSheet += ".editor iframe {border:1px solid #DDD}\n" ;
config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditToolBarStyleSheet += ".easyEditorToolBar td{border:1px solid #888; padding:2px 1px 2px 1px; vertical-align:middle}\n" ;
config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditToolBarStyleSheet += ".easyEditorToolBar td.separator{border:0}\n" ;
config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditToolBarStyleSheet += ".easyEditorToolBar .button{border:0;color:#444}\n" ;
config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditToolBarStyleSheet += ".easyEditorToolBar .buttonON{background-color:#EEE}\n" ;
config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditToolBarStyleSheet += ".easyEditorToolBar {margin:0.25em 0}\n" ;
config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditToolBarStyleSheet += ".easyEditorToolBar .boldButton {font-weight:bold}\n" ;
config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditToolBarStyleSheet += ".easyEditorToolBar .italicButton .button {font-style:italic;padding-right:0.65em}\n" ;
config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditToolBarStyleSheet += ".easyEditorToolBar .underlineButton .button {text-decoration:underline}\n" ;
config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditToolBarStyleSheet += ".easyEditorToolBar .strikeButton .button {text-decoration:line-through}\n" ;
config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditToolBarStyleSheet += ".easyEditorToolBar .unorderedListButton {margin-left:0.7em}\n" ;
config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditToolBarStyleSheet += ".easyEditorToolBar .justifyleftButton .button {padding-left:0.1em}\n" ;
config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditToolBarStyleSheet += ".easyEditorToolBar .justifyrightButton .button {padding-right:0.1em}\n" ;
config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditToolBarStyleSheet += ".easyEditorToolBar .justifyfullButton .button, .easyEditorToolBar .indentButton .button, .easyEditorToolBar .outdentButton .button {padding-left:0.1em;padding-right:0.1em}\n" ;
config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditToolBarStyleSheet += ".easyEditorToolBar .increasefontsizeButton .button {padding-left:0.15em;padding-right:0.15em; font-size:1.3em; line-height:0.75em}\n" ;
config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditToolBarStyleSheet += ".easyEditorToolBar .decreasefontsizeButton .button {padding-left:0.4em;padding-right:0.4em; font-size:0.8em;}\n" ;
config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditToolBarStyleSheet += ".easyEditorToolBar .forecolorButton .button {color:red;}\n" ;
config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditToolBarStyleSheet += ".easyEditorToolBar .fontnameButton .button {font-family:serif}\n" ;
config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditToolBarStyleSheet +="/*}}}*/";

store.addNotification("EasyEditToolBarStyleSheet", refreshStyles); 

config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditDocStyleSheet = "/*{{{*/\n \n/*}}}*/";
if (config.annotations) config.annotations.EasyEditDocStyleSheet = "This stylesheet is applied when editing a text with the wysiwyg easyEditor";

//}}}
/***
!Link button add-on
***/
//{{{
EditorToolbar.createLinkButton = function(place,name) {
	this.elements[name] = createTiddlyButton(place,EditorToolbar.buttons[name].label,EditorToolbar.buttons[name].toolTip,contextualCallback(this,EditorToolbar.onInputLink()),"button");
}

EditorToolbar.onInputLink = function() {
	return function(){
		var browser = config.browser.isGecko ? geckoEditor : (config.browser.isIE ? IEeditor : null);
		var value = browser ? browser.getLink(this.target) : "";
		value = prompt(EditorToolbar.buttons["createlink"].prompt,value);
		if (value) browser.doLink(this.target,value);
		else if (value=="") this.target.execCommand("unlink", false, value);
		EditorToolbar.onUpdateButton.call(this);
		return false;
	}
}

EditorToolbar.buttonsList += ",separator,createlink";

EditorToolbar.buttons.createlink = {onCreate : EditorToolbar.createLinkButton, label:"L", toolTip : "Set link", prompt: "Enter link url"};


geckoEditor.getLink=function(doc){
	var range=doc.defaultView.getSelection().getRangeAt(0);
	var container = range.commonAncestorContainer;
	var node = (container.nodeType==3) ? container.parentNode : range.startContainer.childNodes[range.startOffset];
	if (node && node.tagName=="A") {
		var r=doc.createRange();
		r.selectNode(node);
		doc.defaultView.getSelection().addRange(r);
		return (node.getAttribute("tiddler") ? "#"+node.getAttribute("tiddler") : node.href);
	}
	else return (container.nodeType==3 ? "#"+container.textContent.substr(range.startOffset, range.endOffset-range.startOffset).replace(/ $/,"") : "");
}

geckoEditor.doLink=function(doc,link){ // store tiddler in a temporary attribute to avoid url encoding of tiddler's name
	var pin = "href"+Math.random().toString().substr(3);
	doc.execCommand("createlink", false, pin);
	var isTiddler=(link.charAt(0)=="#");
	var node = doc.defaultView.getSelection().getRangeAt(0).commonAncestorContainer;
	var links= (node.nodeType!=3) ? node.getElementsByTagName("a") : [node.parentNode];
	for (var cpt=0;cpt<links.length;cpt++) 
			if (links[cpt].href==pin){
				links[cpt].href=isTiddler ? "javascript:;" : link; 
				links[cpt].setAttribute("tiddler",isTiddler ? link.substr(1) : "");
			}
}

geckoEditor.beforeLinkPostProcessor = geckoEditor.beforelinkPostProcessor ? geckoEditor.beforelinkPostProcessor : geckoEditor.postProcessor;
geckoEditor.postProcessor = function(text){
	return geckoEditor.beforeLinkPostProcessor(text).replace(/<a tiddler="([^"]*)" href="javascript:;">(.*?)(?:<\/a>)/gi,"[[$2|$1]]").replace(/<a tiddler="" href="/gi,'<a href="');
}

geckoEditor.beforeLinkPreProcessor = geckoEditor.beforeLinkPreProcessor ? geckoEditor.beforeLinkPreProcessor : geckoEditor.preProcessor
geckoEditor.preProcessor = function(text){
	return geckoEditor.beforeLinkPreProcessor(text).replace(/\[\[([^|\]]*)\|([^\]]*)]]/g,'<a tiddler="$2" href="javascript:;">$1</a>');
}


IEeditor.getLink=function(doc){
	var node=doc.selection.createRange().parentElement();
	if (node.tagName=="A") return node.href;
	else return (doc.selection.type=="Text"? "#"+doc.selection.createRange().text.replace(/ $/,"") :"");
}

IEeditor.doLink=function(doc,link){
	doc.execCommand("createlink", false, link);
}

IEeditor.beforeLinkPreProcessor = IEeditor.beforeLinkPreProcessor ? IEeditor.beforeLinkPreProcessor : IEeditor.preProcessor
IEeditor.preProcessor = function(text){
	return IEeditor.beforeLinkPreProcessor(text).replace(/\[\[([^|\]]*)\|([^\]]*)]]/g,'<a ref="#$2">$1</a>');
}

IEeditor.beforeLinkPostProcessor = IEeditor.beforelinkPostProcessor ? IEeditor.beforelinkPostProcessor : IEeditor.postProcessor;
IEeditor.postProcessor = function(text){
	return IEeditor.beforeLinkPostProcessor(text).replace(/<a href="#([^>]*)">([^<]*)<\/a>/gi,"[[$2|$1]]");
}

IEeditor.beforeLinkInitContent = IEeditor.beforeLinkInitContent ? IEeditor.beforeLinkInitContent : IEeditor.initContent;
IEeditor.initContent = function(doc,content){
	IEeditor.beforeLinkInitContent(doc,content);
	var links=doc.body.getElementsByTagName("A");
	for (var cpt=0; cpt<links.length; cpt++) {
		links[cpt].href=links[cpt].ref; //to avoid IE conversion of relative URLs to absolute
		links[cpt].removeAttribute("ref");	
	}
}

config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditToolBarStyleSheet += "\n/*{{{*/\n.easyEditorToolBar .createlinkButton .button {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}\n/*}}}*/";

config.shadowTiddlers.EasyEditDocStyleSheet += "\n/*{{{*/\na {color:#0044BB;font-weight:bold}\n/*}}}*/";

//}}}

<!--{{{-->
<div class='toolbar' macro='toolbar +saveTiddler -cancelTiddler deleteTiddler'></div>
<div class='title' macro='view title'></div>
<div class='editor' macro='edit title'></div>
<div macro='annotations'></div>
<div class='editor' macro='easyEdit text'></div>
<div class='editor' macro='edit tags'></div><div class='editorFooter'><span macro='message views.editor.tagPrompt'></span><span macro='tagChooser'></span></div>
<!--}}}-->

[img[http://forum.freegamedev.net/index.php?t=getfile&id=2060&private=0]]

!This project will feature:

!![[Distribution]]

>>Definite
>-Open Source Game Distribution over p2p (distro independent, so binary packages only) 
>-Source distribution over p2p 
>-Version control over p2p
>-User generated content distribution over p2p
>-Easy access to users, targeted to audience

>>Indefinite
>-Game streaming

!![[Contribution]]

>>Definite
>-All users have dvcs branches, so any modification they make to their source is available to all. 
>-Easier access to development resources, and more accessible development standards to narrow the leap for new >contributors  

>>Indefinite
>-All changes are tracked, and attributed to specific users, users are rewarded with increased status and achievements
>-All files and changes can be reviewed and rated, to detect problems and areas for improvement. 
>-Financial contribution should also be streamlined in this system

!![[Community]]

>>Indefinite
>-User profiles, with contribution and gameplay awards, game listing. (optional, to a degree)
>-Easy access to game chatrooms
>-Easy access to game reviews, and review methods
>-Game propagation, through viral means
>-Game news, tournament and competition support (plugin)

(very complicated and cluttered. More to show the functionality that is needed, but without much concern for simplification)
[img[http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/692/guimockup1ig0.gif]]

[[Git Security Reference]]

http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/user-manual.html#git-concepts

http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/gitrepository-layout.html

http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/Git#line-29

!Problem:

Open Source game developers have always faced a problem when it comes to distribution, most are hosted on huge os project hosts (SourceForge etc.) where they are easily lost and forgotten amongst the deluge of other applications. In order for them to get any players, they have to work hard on getting their games mentioned on blogs or os game websites (LinuxGameTome, FreeGameDev etc.), and the amount of effort spent in keeping these sites up to date with their latest developments is very inefficient. The amount of people reading these sites, or who even know about them, is also a lot less than ideal, which further reduces its usefulness. 

Because of that, being hosted on official Linux distro repositories is a huge blessing for os games, they get much better exposure, and their playerbase is kept up to date with game releases. The problem here, however, is that there is a large amount of distros, all using different package managers, all with different ideals on what should and should not be included in their repos. Games downloaded from such repositories also leads to people rarely looking at the source, as most pm's don't include it. 

The lack of providing source to users makes it a lot more difficult for them to realize the full potential of open source, in order to modify or contribute to the project, they first have to find the source, re-download it, modify it, and compile it, while still keeping an obsolete version on their system. And even if they do manage to do so, the modifications do not benefit the community, because the user would first have to complete another set of arduous tasks before others can access their work. 

Package management systems in general have little support for community or contribution, and os games suffer from it. I feel that if the process of contribution was simplified, and distributed to the community, games would have more content, and be a lot better off there through.  

(list of goals, in descending importance)

!
![[Distribution]]:

The first and foremost goal of this project is to provide a new method for open source game developers to host, distribute, and manage their games, using p2p technology.  In order for this to be feasible, the distributed games should have a method to track versions of both source and game releases. (definite)

Having a specialized application will ensure that the distributed content is being exposed to the right audience, ensuring that games have a larger chance of being played and contributed to.  (definite)

Seeing as this service is mainly intended for open source games, all sources should be provided along with stable binaries. (definite)

The system also aims to distribute user contributed content as well as official, stable developer content. (definite)

Streaming. New idea suggested by _m64_. Lots of interesting implications, needs further discussion though (indefinite)
!
![[Contribution]]:

One of the main goals of this project is to ease the process of contribution to open source games in general. Users should be able to contribute to any project without having to jump through hoops to get commit access. At the same time, users shouldn't be allowed to break the main branch, and distributed version control solves this issue. (definite)

In order to make development even more accessible, the application will provide the user with programs necessary to contribute with, along with tutorials and help on how to do so. Also, a few ideas on ways to ensure that your project is easy to contribute to : http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/building-community-around-your-foss.html (definite)

Users should also be able to review and rate game content in a more in-depth manner as well, allowing the developers and community to see which parts of their game needs improvement. Individual file ratings and code commenting should be beneficial to a project in the whole  (under review)

Contributions should be rated, to ensure that there is a level of quality present. The version control method should isolate separate contributions, sothat problem contributors can be ignored/ cut from the loop (under review)

The other thing that is unfortunately lacking is a reason for users to contribute, other than general altruism. People want to be rewarded for what they do, albeit in a very indirect way. To encourage contribution, the project aims to create a non-monetary reward system, with profiles for each user. (under review)

Another type of contribution not aforementioned is the financial sort, at the moment one has to actively seek out methods of donating to open source games, something that likely decreases the amount gathered there from by a large amount.. The project aims to provide a more noticeable method for donations, hopefully increasing the financial viability of creating foss games.   (under review)
!
![[Community]]:

This project also aims to create an overarching community for foss games. Instead of asking from the user to find a website, create an account, and put a lot of effort to make themselves known, they should be able to create a presence in the community solely by using the system. This community should pull together both gaming and development, breaking down the problematic barrier between content producers and consumers. (under review)

Gamers should also be able to communicate with greater ease. No longer will they have to struggle with creating irc accounts and finding the appropriate channels to talk in, methods for both real time and permanent communication will be put in place, to allow for users to communicate with other gamers, for gaming reasons, and with the developers.  (under review)

Having a strong community will also allow for events rarely seen in os games, such as tournaments and competitions, which will further strengthen the community if successful. (under review)
!

|!Actual Mockups in Qt|h
|[[Third Mockup]]|
|[[Second Mockup]]|
|[[First Mockup]]|

|!Sketches|h
|[[Elcugo's Design]]|
|[[Nekotaku's Third Mockup Suggestions]]|

Draft icons:
Shaded
[img[http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1562/path2475hh1.png]]

Unshaded:
[img[http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/72/logopf2.png]]

We plan to do this by:

!![[Distribution]]

>P2P (freepasty? bittorent?) 
>Dvcs ([[git]]? bazaar? Svl svk? Mercurial?)
>Distributing binaries, installers (statifier? long list of installers..)

Examples to look at: Spring Lobby's p2p map and mod finding, DJL's installation methods.
List organized under single tab, extra information displayed when clicking on tabs [[Gui Design]]

!![[Contribution]]

>Linking (tutorials, resources, applications, paypal)
>Contribution Profiling (ohloh?) 
>Game information (external? centralized internal? p2p?)

Example of contribution [[Gui Design]]

!![[Community]]

>Web portal (LGDB? JeuxLinux?)
>Social networking (elgg?)

Here are designs of more in-depth topics

[[Gui Design]]
[[Data Design]]
[[Icon Design]]

This wiki is a (very) rough design document for the P2P Open Source Game Distribution project. I plan to make a proper one after we iron out the general ideas presented here

[[ToDo]]

|!Overview|h
|[[Goals]]|
|[[Features]]|
|[[Implementation]]|

|!In Depth Design|h
|[[Gui Design]]|
|[[Data Design]]|
|[[Icon Design]]|

|!Communication|!Summary|h
|[[Discussion Logs]]||
|[[Forum Discussion|http://forum.freegamedev.net/index.php?t=msg&th=2172]]||



Mmm, it seems that the uploader plugin isn't behaving, check between http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/index.html and http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com 's timeline to see which one is the most up to date (sorry about this, I'm not sure how to fix it)

The Wiki Itself: http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/index.html or http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/

TiddlyWiki:
|http://www.tiddlytools.com/|
|http://tiddlythemes.com/#Monochrome|
|http://tiddlyvault.tiddlyspot.com/|
|http://www.tiddlywiki.com/|
|http://tiddlywiki.org/wiki/TiddlyWiki_Markup|

[[Git]]:
|http://git-scm.com/|
|http://code.google.com/p/gittorrent/wiki/MirrorSync|

P2P:
|http://freepastry.org/FreePastry/|
|http://www.bittorrent.com|
|http://www.review-ninja.com/2009/01/build-your-own-torrent-tracker.html|

Mindmapping:
(good idea?)

Software Design:
|http://www.cmcrossroads.com/bradapp/docs/sdd.html#SEC2|

Links:
|http://www.plubble.com|
|http://forum.freegamedev.net|
|http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/building-community-around-your-foss.html|
|http://tournois.jeuxlinux.fr/|
|http://www.djl-linux.org/index_en.php|
|http://www.lgdb.org|
|http://www.editingarchive.com/simworld/|

[[Introduction]]
[[Goals]]
[[Features]]
[[Implementation]]
[[ToDo]]
[[Credits]]
[[Links]]

[img[http://h.lipsofsuna.org/images/p2pthinggui1.png]]

<div id='header' class='header' macro='gradient vert   #555555       #3b3b3b '>
        <div class='siteTitle' refresh='content' tiddler='SiteTitle'></div>
        <span id='topMenu' refresh='content' tiddler='MainMenu'></span>
</div>

<div id='sidebar'>
<div id='sidebarOptions' refresh='content' tiddler='SideBarOptions'></div>
<div id='sidebarTabs' refresh='content' force='true' tiddler='SideBarTabs'></div>
</div>
<div id='displayArea'>
<div id='messageArea'></div>
<div id='tiddlerDisplay'></div>
</div>
<!--}}}-->

/***
|''Name:''|PasswordOptionPlugin|
|''Description:''|Extends TiddlyWiki options with non encrypted password option.|
|''Version:''|1.0.2|
|''Date:''|Apr 19, 2007|
|''Source:''|http://tiddlywiki.bidix.info/#PasswordOptionPlugin|
|''Author:''|BidiX (BidiX (at) bidix (dot) info)|
|''License:''|[[BSD open source license|http://tiddlywiki.bidix.info/#%5B%5BBSD%20open%20source%20license%5D%5D ]]|
|''~CoreVersion:''|2.2.0 (Beta 5)|
***/
//{{{
version.extensions.PasswordOptionPlugin = {
	major: 1, minor: 0, revision: 2, 
	date: new Date("Apr 19, 2007"),
	source: 'http://tiddlywiki.bidix.info/#PasswordOptionPlugin',
	author: 'BidiX (BidiX (at) bidix (dot) info',
	license: '[[BSD open source license|http://tiddlywiki.bidix.info/#%5B%5BBSD%20open%20source%20license%5D%5D]]',
	coreVersion: '2.2.0 (Beta 5)'
};

config.macros.option.passwordCheckboxLabel = "Save this password on this computer";
config.macros.option.passwordInputType = "password"; // password | text
setStylesheet(".pasOptionInput {width: 11em;}\n","passwordInputTypeStyle");

merge(config.macros.option.types, {
	'pas': {
		elementType: "input",
		valueField: "value",
		eventName: "onkeyup",
		className: "pasOptionInput",
		typeValue: config.macros.option.passwordInputType,
		create: function(place,type,opt,className,desc) {
			// password field
			config.macros.option.genericCreate(place,'pas',opt,className,desc);
			// checkbox linked with this password "save this password on this computer"
			config.macros.option.genericCreate(place,'chk','chk'+opt,className,desc);			
			// text savePasswordCheckboxLabel
			place.appendChild(document.createTextNode(config.macros.option.passwordCheckboxLabel));
		},
		onChange: config.macros.option.genericOnChange
	}
});

merge(config.optionHandlers['chk'], {
	get: function(name) {
		// is there an option linked with this chk ?
		var opt = name.substr(3);
		if (config.options[opt]) 
			saveOptionCookie(opt);
		return config.options[name] ? "true" : "false";
	}
});

merge(config.optionHandlers, {
	'pas': {
 		get: function(name) {
			if (config.options["chk"+name]) {
				return encodeCookie(config.options[name].toString());
			} else {
				return "";
			}
		},
		set: function(name,value) {config.options[name] = decodeCookie(value);}
	}
});

// need to reload options to load passwordOptions
loadOptionsCookie();

/*
if (!config.options['pasPassword'])
	config.options['pasPassword'] = '';

merge(config.optionsDesc,{
		pasPassword: "Test password"
	});
*/
//}}}

Mmm, patent? http://www.priorartdatabase.com/IPCOM/000010273/

(design changed due to suggestions by nekotaku, one less panel, but more tabs under the game browsing view)
[img[http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/973/uimockup2uv6.gif]]

Enabling the community

P2P Open Source Game Distribution

/*{{{*/
/*Monochrome Theme for TiddlyWiki*/
/*Design and CSS by Saq Imtiaz*/
/*Version 1.0*/
/*}}}*/
/*{{{*/

body {background:#3B3B3B; color:#C3C3C3; font:12px Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
	}

#header {padding: 0em 0em 0em 0em; background:transparent;	font-family: arial,helvetica; font-size:12px;
 }

.siteTitle {
padding-top:5px;
float:left;
font-family: 'Trebuchet MS' sans-serif;
font-weight: bold;
font-size: 32px;
color: #ccc; margin-right:2em;margin-left:0.5em;
}

#topMenu br {display:none;}
#topMenu a, #topMenu .tiddlyLink, #topMenu .button {margin:0em; color:#666; padding:15px 15px 10px 15px;padding-top:1.6em;border:none; border-right: 1px solid #666;float:left;}
#topMenu {border-left: 1px solid #666;  float:left;margin:0;}
#topMenu a:hover {color:#ccc; background:#3b3b3b;}

#displayArea {margin-left:1.35em; margin-right:17.65em; margin-top:0.5em; padding-top:1em; padding-bottom:10px;}

.tiddler {background:#454545; margin-bottom:20px; padding:1em 2em 1em 2em;}

a, a:hover{
color:#fff;
text-decoration: none; background:transparent;
}

.viewer a, .viewer a:hover{border-bottom:1px dotted #fff; font-weight:normal;}

.viewer .button, .editorFooter .button{
color: #fff;
border: 1px solid #fff;
}

.viewer .button:hover,
.editorFooter .button:hover, .viewer .button:active, .viewer .highlight,.editorFooter .button:active, .editorFooter .highlight{
color: #fff;
background: #3B3B3B;
border-color: #3B3B3B;
}

.title {color:#ccc; font-family:'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Sans-Serif; font-size:1.5em;
}

.subtitle, .subtitle a { color: #777; font-size: 0.95em;margin:0.2em;}
.shadow .title{color:#777;}

.toolbar {font-size:90%;}
.selected .toolbar a {color:#666;border:0;}
.selected .toolbar a:hover {color:#999; background:transparent;border:0;}

.toolbar .button:hover, .toolbar .highlight, .toolbar .marked, .toolbar a.button:active{color:#666;border:0; background:transparent;border:0;}

.tagging, .tagged {
border: 1px solid #555;
background-color: 	#444;
}

.selected .tagging, .selected .tagged {
background-color: 	#3B3B3B;
border: 1px solid #666;
}

.tagging .listTitle, .tagged .listTitle {
color: #666;
}

.selected .tagging .listTitle, .selected .tagged .listTitle {
color: #aaa;
}

.tagging .button, .tagged .button {
color:		#838383;
}
.selected .tagging .button, .selected .tagged .button {
color:#c3c3c3;
}

.highlight, .marked {background:transparent; color:#111; border:none; text-decoration:underline;}

.tagging .button:hover, .tagged .button:hover, .tagging .button:active, .tagged .button:active {
border: none; background:transparent; text-decoration:underline; color:#333;
}

#sidebarOptions {margin-top:1em;}
#sidebar {margin-right:1.35em;}

#sidebarTabs .tabContents {	
	font-family: arial,helvetica;}

#sidebarOptions a, #sidebarOptions a:hover{border:none;color:#666;}
#sidebarOptions a:hover, #sidebarOptions a:active {background:#454545; color:#ccc;}
#sidebarTabs .tabContents {background:#454545;border:0px solid #666; border-right:1px solid #454545;}
#sidebarOptions input {background:#ccc; border:1px solid #666;}

#sidebarTabs .tabContents .tiddlyLink, #sidebarTabs .tabContents .button{color:#666;font-weight:normal;}
#sidebarTabs .tabContents .tiddlyLink:hover, #sidebarTabs .tabContents .button:hover {color:#ccc; background:transparent;}
.listTitle {color:#777;}

#sidebarTabs .tabSelected,#sidebarTabs .tabSelected:hover{background:#454545;border:none;color:#ccc; border:1px solid #454545;}
#sidebarTabs .tabUnselected{background:#3B3B3B; border:1px solid #454545; color:#666;}

   #sidebarTabs .txtMoreTab .tabSelected,
   #sidebarTabs .txtMoreTab .tab:hover,
   #sidebarTabs .txtMoreTab .tabContents{
color: #ccc;
background: #3B3B3B; border:1px solid #3B3B3B;
}

   #sidebarTabs .txtMoreTab .tabUnselected {

color: #777; border:1px solid #3B3B3B;
background: #454545;
}


#sidebarTabs .tabContents .button:hover, #sidebarTabs .tabContents .highlight, #sidebarTabs .tabContents .marked, #sidebarTabs .tabContents a.button:active{color:#ccc; background:transparent;}

   #sidebarOptions .sliderPanel {
background: #454545; font-size: .9em;
}

#sidebarOptions .sliderPanel input {border:1px solid #666; background:#ccc;}
#sidebarOptions .sliderPanel .txtOptionInput {border:1px solid #666;width:9em;}

#sidebarOptions .sliderPanel a {font-weight:normal; color:#666;background-color: #454545; border-bottom:1px dotted #333;}

#sidebarOptions .sliderPanel a:hover {
color:#ccc;
background-color: #454545;
border:none;
border-bottom:1px dotted #111;
}

.popup {
background: #3B3B3B;
border: 1px solid #454545;
}

.popup li.disabled {
color: #000;
}

.popup li a, .popup li a:visited {
color: #777;
border: none;
}

.popup li a:hover {
background: #3b3b3b;
color: #c3c3c3;
border: none;
}
.popup hr {
	color: #777;
	background: #777;
	border-bottom: 1px;
}

.listBreak div{
	border-bottom: 1px solid #777;
}

#messageArea {
border: 4px dotted #ccc;
background: #454545;
color: #777;
font-size:90%;
}

#messageArea .button{

color: #3B3B3B;
background:#ccc;
border: 1px solid #ccc;
}

#messageArea .button:hover {

color: #ccc;
background: #3B3B3B;
border-color: #3B3B3B;
}

.viewer blockquote {
border-left: 5px solid 		#3B3B3B; background:#3B3B3B
}

.viewer table, .viewer td {
border: 1px solid 	#2E2E2E;
}

.viewer th, thead td {
background: #3B3B3B;
border: 1px solid #3B3B3B;
color: #ccc;
}
.viewer pre {
border: 1px solid #3b3b3b;
background: #5F5F5F;
}

.viewer code {
color: #c3c3c3; background:#5f5f5f;
}

.viewer hr {
border-top: dashed 1px #222; margin:0 1em;
}

.editor input {
border: 1px solid #ccc; margin-top:5px;
}

.editor textarea {
border: 1px solid #ccc;
}

h1,h2,h3,h4,h5 { color: 		#9c9c9c; background: transparent; padding-bottom:2px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; }
h1 {font-size:18px;}
h2 {font-size:16px;}
h3 {font-size: 14px;}

|borderless|k
|>|!level 1||border:0;background-color:#eee;!''monitoring''<br>&<br>''error correction''|
|>|text-align:center;↓||~|
|>|!level 2||~|
|!condition A|!condition B||~|
|>|text-align:center;↓||~|
|>|!level 3||~|
|>|text-align:center;↓||~|
|>|!''goal''|←|~|
|Sample Diagram|c

 (simplest Qt design yet, mainly made by following elcugo and _m64_'s suggestions (note: the game information tab is'nt final or intended to be that large)
Just realized that I forgot to add the play, download and rating subwidgets on the game selection buttons. Just imagine them in ;D
[img[http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/5397/minimalguimockupug9.png]]

!What needs to be done:

!!Consult on goals

Prioritize goals, cull unnecessary ones, add needed ones 

!!Consult on features

Prioritize features, cull unnecessary ones, add needed ones 

!!Summarize communication

Self explanitory..

!!Research implementation:

Decide on technologies. Research appropriate technologies, find people who can work with them. 

!!Finalize Design Document

Using a more professional structure (eg [[This|http://www.cmcrossroads.com/bradapp/docs/sdd.html#SEC2]])

!!Further Planning

More designs, etc.

!!Implementation Initialization 

Find coders, time management, work allocation

/***
Description: Contains the stuff you need to use Tiddlyspot
Note, you also need UploadPlugin, PasswordOptionPlugin and LoadRemoteFileThroughProxy
from http://tiddlywiki.bidix.info for a complete working Tiddlyspot site.
***/
//{{{

// edit this if you are migrating sites or retrofitting an existing TW
config.tiddlyspotSiteId = 'p2posgamehosting';

// make it so you can by default see edit controls via http
config.options.chkHttpReadOnly = false;
window.readOnly = false; // make sure of it (for tw 2.2)
window.showBackstage = true; // show backstage too

// disable autosave in d3
if (window.location.protocol != "file:")
	config.options.chkGTDLazyAutoSave = false;

// tweak shadow tiddlers to add upload button, password entry box etc
with (config.shadowTiddlers) {
	SiteUrl = 'http://'+config.tiddlyspotSiteId+'.tiddlyspot.com';
	SideBarOptions = SideBarOptions.replace(/(<<saveChanges>>)/,"$1<<tiddler TspotSidebar>>");
	OptionsPanel = OptionsPanel.replace(/^/,"<<tiddler TspotOptions>>");
	DefaultTiddlers = DefaultTiddlers.replace(/^/,"[[WelcomeToTiddlyspot]] ");
	MainMenu = MainMenu.replace(/^/,"[[WelcomeToTiddlyspot]] ");
}

// create some shadow tiddler content
merge(config.shadowTiddlers,{

'WelcomeToTiddlyspot':[
 "This document is a ~TiddlyWiki from tiddlyspot.com.  A ~TiddlyWiki is an electronic notebook that is great for managing todo lists, personal information, and all sorts of things.",
 "",
 "@@font-weight:bold;font-size:1.3em;color:#444; //What now?// &nbsp;&nbsp;@@ Before you can save any changes, you need to enter your password in the form below.  Then configure privacy and other site settings at your [[control panel|http://" + config.tiddlyspotSiteId + ".tiddlyspot.com/controlpanel]] (your control panel username is //" + config.tiddlyspotSiteId + "//).",
 "<<tiddler TspotControls>>",
 "See also GettingStarted.",
 "",
 "@@font-weight:bold;font-size:1.3em;color:#444; //Working online// &nbsp;&nbsp;@@ You can edit this ~TiddlyWiki right now, and save your changes using the \"save to web\" button in the column on the right.",
 "",
 "@@font-weight:bold;font-size:1.3em;color:#444; //Working offline// &nbsp;&nbsp;@@ A fully functioning copy of this ~TiddlyWiki can be saved onto your hard drive or USB stick.  You can make changes and save them locally without being connected to the Internet.  When you're ready to sync up again, just click \"upload\" and your ~TiddlyWiki will be saved back to tiddlyspot.com.",
 "",
 "@@font-weight:bold;font-size:1.3em;color:#444; //Help!// &nbsp;&nbsp;@@ Find out more about ~TiddlyWiki at [[TiddlyWiki.com|http://tiddlywiki.com]].  Also visit [[TiddlyWiki.org|http://tiddlywiki.org]] for documentation on learning and using ~TiddlyWiki. New users are especially welcome on the [[TiddlyWiki mailing list|http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki]], which is an excellent place to ask questions and get help.  If you have a tiddlyspot related problem email [[tiddlyspot support|mailto:support@tiddlyspot.com]].",
 "",
 "@@font-weight:bold;font-size:1.3em;color:#444; //Enjoy :)// &nbsp;&nbsp;@@ We hope you like using your tiddlyspot.com site.  Please email [[feedback@tiddlyspot.com|mailto:feedback@tiddlyspot.com]] with any comments or suggestions."
].join("\n"),

'TspotControls':[
 "| tiddlyspot password:|<<option pasUploadPassword>>|",
 "| site management:|<<upload http://" + config.tiddlyspotSiteId + ".tiddlyspot.com/store.cgi index.html . .  " + config.tiddlyspotSiteId + ">>//(requires tiddlyspot password)//<br>[[control panel|http://" + config.tiddlyspotSiteId + ".tiddlyspot.com/controlpanel]], [[download (go offline)|http://" + config.tiddlyspotSiteId + ".tiddlyspot.com/download]]|",
 "| links:|[[tiddlyspot.com|http://tiddlyspot.com/]], [[FAQs|http://faq.tiddlyspot.com/]], [[blog|http://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com/]], email [[support|mailto:support@tiddlyspot.com]] & [[feedback|mailto:feedback@tiddlyspot.com]], [[donate|http://tiddlyspot.com/?page=donate]]|"
].join("\n"),

'TspotSidebar':[
 "<<upload http://" + config.tiddlyspotSiteId + ".tiddlyspot.com/store.cgi index.html . .  " + config.tiddlyspotSiteId + ">><html><a href='http://" + config.tiddlyspotSiteId + ".tiddlyspot.com/download' class='button'>download</a></html>"
].join("\n"),

'TspotOptions':[
 "tiddlyspot password:",
 "<<option pasUploadPassword>>",
 ""
].join("\n")

});
//}}}

| !date | !user | !location | !storeUrl | !uploadDir | !toFilename | !backupdir | !origin |
| 19/01/2009 01:42:01 | TheAncientGoat | [[p2pdistribution.html|file:///home/ryan/Documents/P2PDistribution/p2pdistribution.html]] | [[store.cgi|http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/store.cgi]] | . | [[index.html | http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/index.html]] | . | ok |
| 23/01/2009 00:40:59 | TheAncientGoat | [[p2pdistribution.html|file:///home/ryan/Documents/P2PDistribution/p2pdistribution.html]] | [[store.cgi|http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/store.cgi]] | . | [[index.html | http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/index.html]] | . |
| 02/02/2009 14:57:04 | TheAncientGoat | [[/|http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/]] | [[store.cgi|http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/store.cgi]] | . | [[index.html | http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/index.html]] | . |
| 02/02/2009 15:32:45 | TheAncientGoat | [[index.html|http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/index.html]] | [[store.cgi|http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/store.cgi]] | . | [[index.html | http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/index.html]] | . |
| 03/02/2009 17:45:15 | TheAncientGoat | [[index.html|http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/index.html]] | [[store.cgi|http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/store.cgi]] | . | [[index.html | http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/index.html]] | . | failed |
| 03/02/2009 17:46:41 | TheAncientGoat | [[index.html|http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/index.html]] | [[store.cgi|http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/store.cgi]] | . | [[index.html | http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/index.html]] | . |
| 03/02/2009 17:50:10 | TheAncientGoat | [[index.html|http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/index.html]] | [[store.cgi|http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/store.cgi]] | . | [[index.html | http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/index.html]] | . |
| 03/02/2009 20:05:41 | TheAncientGoat | [[/|http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/#%5B%5BGui%20Design%5D%5D]] | [[store.cgi|http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/store.cgi]] | . | [[index.html | http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/index.html]] | . | ok |
| 03/02/2009 20:54:51 | TheAncientGoat | [[/|http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/#%5B%5BGui%20Design%5D%5D]] | [[store.cgi|http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/store.cgi]] | . | [[index.html | http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/index.html]] | . |
| 16/02/2009 17:09:15 | TheAncientGoat | [[index.html|http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/index.html]] | [[store.cgi|http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/store.cgi]] | . | [[index.html | http://p2posgamehosting.tiddlyspot.com/index.html]] | . |

/***
|''Name:''|UploadPlugin|
|''Description:''|Save to web a TiddlyWiki|
|''Version:''|4.1.3|
|''Date:''|Feb 24, 2008|
|''Source:''|http://tiddlywiki.bidix.info/#UploadPlugin|
|''Documentation:''|http://tiddlywiki.bidix.info/#UploadPluginDoc|
|''Author:''|BidiX (BidiX (at) bidix (dot) info)|
|''License:''|[[BSD open source license|http://tiddlywiki.bidix.info/#%5B%5BBSD%20open%20source%20license%5D%5D ]]|
|''~CoreVersion:''|2.2.0|
|''Requires:''|PasswordOptionPlugin|
***/
//{{{
version.extensions.UploadPlugin = {
	major: 4, minor: 1, revision: 3,
	date: new Date("Feb 24, 2008"),
	source: 'http://tiddlywiki.bidix.info/#UploadPlugin',
	author: 'BidiX (BidiX (at) bidix (dot) info',
	coreVersion: '2.2.0'
};

//
// Environment
//

if (!window.bidix) window.bidix = {}; // bidix namespace
bidix.debugMode = false;	// true to activate both in Plugin and UploadService
	
//
// Upload Macro
//

config.macros.upload = {
// default values
	defaultBackupDir: '',	//no backup
	defaultStoreScript: "store.php",
	defaultToFilename: "index.html",
	defaultUploadDir: ".",
	authenticateUser: true	// UploadService Authenticate User
};
	
config.macros.upload.label = {
	promptOption: "Save and Upload this TiddlyWiki with UploadOptions",
	promptParamMacro: "Save and Upload this TiddlyWiki in %0",
	saveLabel: "save to web", 
	saveToDisk: "save to disk",
	uploadLabel: "upload"	
};

config.macros.upload.messages = {
	noStoreUrl: "No store URL in parmeters or options",
	usernameOrPasswordMissing: "Username or password missing"
};

config.macros.upload.handler = function(place,macroName,params) {
	if (readOnly)
		return;
	var label;
	if (document.location.toString().substr(0,4) == "http") 
		label = this.label.saveLabel;
	else
		label = this.label.uploadLabel;
	var prompt;
	if (params[0]) {
		prompt = this.label.promptParamMacro.toString().format([this.destFile(params[0], 
			(params[1] ? params[1]:bidix.basename(window.location.toString())), params[3])]);
	} else {
		prompt = this.label.promptOption;
	}
	createTiddlyButton(place, label, prompt, function() {config.macros.upload.action(params);}, null, null, this.accessKey);
};

config.macros.upload.action = function(params)
{
		// for missing macro parameter set value from options
		if (!params) params = {};
		var storeUrl = params[0] ? params[0] : config.options.txtUploadStoreUrl;
		var toFilename = params[1] ? params[1] : config.options.txtUploadFilename;
		var backupDir = params[2] ? params[2] : config.options.txtUploadBackupDir;
		var uploadDir = params[3] ? params[3] : config.options.txtUploadDir;
		var username = params[4] ? params[4] : config.options.txtUploadUserName;
		var password = config.options.pasUploadPassword; // for security reason no password as macro parameter	
		// for still missing parameter set default value
		if ((!storeUrl) && (document.location.toString().substr(0,4) == "http")) 
			storeUrl = bidix.dirname(document.location.toString())+'/'+config.macros.upload.defaultStoreScript;
		if (storeUrl.substr(0,4) != "http")
			storeUrl = bidix.dirname(document.location.toString()) +'/'+ storeUrl;
		if (!toFilename)
			toFilename = bidix.basename(window.location.toString());
		if (!toFilename)
			toFilename = config.macros.upload.defaultToFilename;
		if (!uploadDir)
			uploadDir = config.macros.upload.defaultUploadDir;
		if (!backupDir)
			backupDir = config.macros.upload.defaultBackupDir;
		// report error if still missing
		if (!storeUrl) {
			alert(config.macros.upload.messages.noStoreUrl);
			clearMessage();
			return false;
		}
		if (config.macros.upload.authenticateUser && (!username || !password)) {
			alert(config.macros.upload.messages.usernameOrPasswordMissing);
			clearMessage();
			return false;
		}
		bidix.upload.uploadChanges(false,null,storeUrl, toFilename, uploadDir, backupDir, username, password); 
		return false; 
};

config.macros.upload.destFile = function(storeUrl, toFilename, uploadDir) 
{
	if (!storeUrl)
		return null;
		var dest = bidix.dirname(storeUrl);
		if (uploadDir && uploadDir != '.')
			dest = dest + '/' + uploadDir;
		dest = dest + '/' + toFilename;
	return dest;
};

//
// uploadOptions Macro
//

config.macros.uploadOptions = {
	handler: function(place,macroName,params) {
		var wizard = new Wizard();
		wizard.createWizard(place,this.wizardTitle);
		wizard.addStep(this.step1Title,this.step1Html);
		var markList = wizard.getElement("markList");
		var listWrapper = document.createElement("div");
		markList.parentNode.insertBefore(listWrapper,markList);
		wizard.setValue("listWrapper",listWrapper);
		this.refreshOptions(listWrapper,false);
		var uploadCaption;
		if (document.location.toString().substr(0,4) == "http") 
			uploadCaption = config.macros.upload.label.saveLabel;
		else
			uploadCaption = config.macros.upload.label.uploadLabel;
		
		wizard.setButtons([
				{caption: uploadCaption, tooltip: config.macros.upload.label.promptOption, 
					onClick: config.macros.upload.action},
				{caption: this.cancelButton, tooltip: this.cancelButtonPrompt, onClick: this.onCancel}
				
			]);
	},
	options: [
		"txtUploadUserName",
		"pasUploadPassword",
		"txtUploadStoreUrl",
		"txtUploadDir",
		"txtUploadFilename",
		"txtUploadBackupDir",
		"chkUploadLog",
		"txtUploadLogMaxLine"		
	],
	refreshOptions: function(listWrapper) {
		var opts = [];
		for(i=0; i<this.options.length; i++) {
			var opt = {};
			opts.push();
			opt.option = "";
			n = this.options[i];
			opt.name = n;
			opt.lowlight = !config.optionsDesc[n];
			opt.description = opt.lowlight ? this.unknownDescription : config.optionsDesc[n];
			opts.push(opt);
		}
		var listview = ListView.create(listWrapper,opts,this.listViewTemplate);
		for(n=0; n<opts.length; n++) {
			var type = opts[n].name.substr(0,3);
			var h = config.macros.option.types[type];
			if (h && h.create) {
				h.create(opts[n].colElements['option'],type,opts[n].name,opts[n].name,"no");
			}
		}
		
	},
	onCancel: function(e)
	{
		backstage.switchTab(null);
		return false;
	},
	
	wizardTitle: "Upload with options",
	step1Title: "These options are saved in cookies in your browser",
	step1Html: "<input type='hidden' name='markList'></input><br>",
	cancelButton: "Cancel",
	cancelButtonPrompt: "Cancel prompt",
	listViewTemplate: {
		columns: [
			{name: 'Description', field: 'description', title: "Description", type: 'WikiText'},
			{name: 'Option', field: 'option', title: "Option", type: 'String'},
			{name: 'Name', field: 'name', title: "Name", type: 'String'}
			],
		rowClasses: [
			{className: 'lowlight', field: 'lowlight'} 
			]}
};

//
// upload functions
//

if (!bidix.upload) bidix.upload = {};

if (!bidix.upload.messages) bidix.upload.messages = {
	//from saving
	invalidFileError: "The original file '%0' does not appear to be a valid TiddlyWiki",
	backupSaved: "Backup saved",
	backupFailed: "Failed to upload backup file",
	rssSaved: "RSS feed uploaded",
	rssFailed: "Failed to upload RSS feed file",
	emptySaved: "Empty template uploaded",
	emptyFailed: "Failed to upload empty template file",
	mainSaved: "Main TiddlyWiki file uploaded",
	mainFailed: "Failed to upload main TiddlyWiki file. Your changes have not been saved",
	//specific upload
	loadOriginalHttpPostError: "Can't get original file",
	aboutToSaveOnHttpPost: 'About to upload on %0 ...',
	storePhpNotFound: "The store script '%0' was not found."
};

bidix.upload.uploadChanges = function(onlyIfDirty,tiddlers,storeUrl,toFilename,uploadDir,backupDir,username,password)
{
	var callback = function(status,uploadParams,original,url,xhr) {
		if (!status) {
			displayMessage(bidix.upload.messages.loadOriginalHttpPostError);
			return;
		}
		if (bidix.debugMode) 
			alert(original.substr(0,500)+"\n...");
		// Locate the storeArea div's 
		var posDiv = locateStoreArea(original);
		if((posDiv[0] == -1) || (posDiv[1] == -1)) {
			alert(config.messages.invalidFileError.format([localPath]));
			return;
		}
		bidix.upload.uploadRss(uploadParams,original,posDiv);
	};
	
	if(onlyIfDirty && !store.isDirty())
		return;
	clearMessage();
	// save on localdisk ?
	if (document.location.toString().substr(0,4) == "file") {
		var path = document.location.toString();
		var localPath = getLocalPath(path);
		saveChanges();
	}
	// get original
	var uploadParams = new Array(storeUrl,toFilename,uploadDir,backupDir,username,password);
	var originalPath = document.location.toString();
	// If url is a directory : add index.html
	if (originalPath.charAt(originalPath.length-1) == "/")
		originalPath = originalPath + "index.html";
	var dest = config.macros.upload.destFile(storeUrl,toFilename,uploadDir);
	var log = new bidix.UploadLog();
	log.startUpload(storeUrl, dest, uploadDir,  backupDir);
	displayMessage(bidix.upload.messages.aboutToSaveOnHttpPost.format([dest]));
	if (bidix.debugMode) 
		alert("about to execute Http - GET on "+originalPath);
	var r = doHttp("GET",originalPath,null,null,username,password,callback,uploadParams,null);
	if (typeof r == "string")
		displayMessage(r);
	return r;
};

bidix.upload.uploadRss = function(uploadParams,original,posDiv) 
{
	var callback = function(status,params,responseText,url,xhr) {
		if(status) {
			var destfile = responseText.substring(responseText.indexOf("destfile:")+9,responseText.indexOf("\n", responseText.indexOf("destfile:")));
			displayMessage(bidix.upload.messages.rssSaved,bidix.dirname(url)+'/'+destfile);
			bidix.upload.uploadMain(params[0],params[1],params[2]);
		} else {
			displayMessage(bidix.upload.messages.rssFailed);			
		}
	};
	// do uploadRss
	if(config.options.chkGenerateAnRssFeed) {
		var rssPath = uploadParams[1].substr(0,uploadParams[1].lastIndexOf(".")) + ".xml";
		var rssUploadParams = new Array(uploadParams[0],rssPath,uploadParams[2],'',uploadParams[4],uploadParams[5]);
		var rssString = generateRss();
		// no UnicodeToUTF8 conversion needed when location is "file" !!!
		if (document.location.toString().substr(0,4) != "file")
			rssString = convertUnicodeToUTF8(rssString);	
		bidix.upload.httpUpload(rssUploadParams,rssString,callback,Array(uploadParams,original,posDiv));
	} else {
		bidix.upload.uploadMain(uploadParams,original,posDiv);
	}
};

bidix.upload.uploadMain = function(uploadParams,original,posDiv) 
{
	var callback = function(status,params,responseText,url,xhr) {
		var log = new bidix.UploadLog();
		if(status) {
			// if backupDir specified
			if ((params[3]) && (responseText.indexOf("backupfile:") > -1))  {
				var backupfile = responseText.substring(responseText.indexOf("backupfile:")+11,responseText.indexOf("\n", responseText.indexOf("backupfile:")));
				displayMessage(bidix.upload.messages.backupSaved,bidix.dirname(url)+'/'+backupfile);
			}
			var destfile = responseText.substring(responseText.indexOf("destfile:")+9,responseText.indexOf("\n", responseText.indexOf("destfile:")));
			displayMessage(bidix.upload.messages.mainSaved,bidix.dirname(url)+'/'+destfile);
			store.setDirty(false);
			log.endUpload("ok");
		} else {
			alert(bidix.upload.messages.mainFailed);
			displayMessage(bidix.upload.messages.mainFailed);
			log.endUpload("failed");			
		}
	};
	// do uploadMain
	var revised = bidix.upload.updateOriginal(original,posDiv);
	bidix.upload.httpUpload(uploadParams,revised,callback,uploadParams);
};

bidix.upload.httpUpload = function(uploadParams,data,callback,params)
{
	var localCallback = function(status,params,responseText,url,xhr) {
		url = (url.indexOf("nocache=") < 0 ? url : url.substring(0,url.indexOf("nocache=")-1));
		if (xhr.status == 404)
			alert(bidix.upload.messages.storePhpNotFound.format([url]));
		if ((bidix.debugMode) || (responseText.indexOf("Debug mode") >= 0 )) {
			alert(responseText);
			if (responseText.indexOf("Debug mode") >= 0 )
				responseText = responseText.substring(responseText.indexOf("\n\n")+2);
		} else if (responseText.charAt(0) != '0') 
			alert(responseText);
		if (responseText.charAt(0) != '0')
			status = null;
		callback(status,params,responseText,url,xhr);
	};
	// do httpUpload
	var boundary = "---------------------------"+"AaB03x";	
	var uploadFormName = "UploadPlugin";
	// compose headers data
	var sheader = "";
	sheader += "--" + boundary + "\r\nContent-disposition: form-data; name=\"";
	sheader += uploadFormName +"\"\r\n\r\n";
	sheader += "backupDir="+uploadParams[3] +
				";user=" + uploadParams[4] +
				";password=" + uploadParams[5] +
				";uploaddir=" + uploadParams[2];
	if (bidix.debugMode)
		sheader += ";debug=1";
	sheader += ";;\r\n"; 
	sheader += "\r\n" + "--" + boundary + "\r\n";
	sheader += "Content-disposition: form-data; name=\"userfile\"; filename=\""+uploadParams[1]+"\"\r\n";
	sheader += "Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8" + "\r\n";
	sheader += "Content-Length: " + data.length + "\r\n\r\n";
	// compose trailer data
	var strailer = new String();
	strailer = "\r\n--" + boundary + "--\r\n";
	data = sheader + data + strailer;
	if (bidix.debugMode) alert("about to execute Http - POST on "+uploadParams[0]+"\n with \n"+data.substr(0,500)+ " ... ");
	var r = doHttp("POST",uploadParams[0],data,"multipart/form-data; ;charset=UTF-8; boundary="+boundary,uploadParams[4],uploadParams[5],localCallback,params,null);
	if (typeof r == "string")
		displayMessage(r);
	return r;
};

// same as Saving's updateOriginal but without convertUnicodeToUTF8 calls
bidix.upload.updateOriginal = function(original, posDiv)
{
	if (!posDiv)
		posDiv = locateStoreArea(original);
	if((posDiv[0] == -1) || (posDiv[1] == -1)) {
		alert(config.messages.invalidFileError.format([localPath]));
		return;
	}
	var revised = original.substr(0,posDiv[0] + startSaveArea.length) + "\n" +
				store.allTiddlersAsHtml() + "\n" +
				original.substr(posDiv[1]);
	var newSiteTitle = getPageTitle().htmlEncode();
	revised = revised.replaceChunk("<title"+">","</title"+">"," " + newSiteTitle + " ");
	revised = updateMarkupBlock(revised,"PRE-HEAD","MarkupPreHead");
	revised = updateMarkupBlock(revised,"POST-HEAD","MarkupPostHead");
	revised = updateMarkupBlock(revised,"PRE-BODY","MarkupPreBody");
	revised = updateMarkupBlock(revised,"POST-SCRIPT","MarkupPostBody");
	return revised;
};

//
// UploadLog
// 
// config.options.chkUploadLog :
//		false : no logging
//		true : logging
// config.options.txtUploadLogMaxLine :
//		-1 : no limit
//      0 :  no Log lines but UploadLog is still in place
//		n :  the last n lines are only kept
//		NaN : no limit (-1)

bidix.UploadLog = function() {
	if (!config.options.chkUploadLog) 
		return; // this.tiddler = null
	this.tiddler = store.getTiddler("UploadLog");
	if (!this.tiddler) {
		this.tiddler = new Tiddler();
		this.tiddler.title = "UploadLog";
		this.tiddler.text = "| !date | !user | !location | !storeUrl | !uploadDir | !toFilename | !backupdir | !origin |";
		this.tiddler.created = new Date();
		this.tiddler.modifier = config.options.txtUserName;
		this.tiddler.modified = new Date();
		store.addTiddler(this.tiddler);
	}
	return this;
};

bidix.UploadLog.prototype.addText = function(text) {
	if (!this.tiddler)
		return;
	// retrieve maxLine when we need it
	var maxLine = parseInt(config.options.txtUploadLogMaxLine,10);
	if (isNaN(maxLine))
		maxLine = -1;
	// add text
	if (maxLine != 0) 
		this.tiddler.text = this.tiddler.text + text;
	// Trunck to maxLine
	if (maxLine >= 0) {
		var textArray = this.tiddler.text.split('\n');
		if (textArray.length > maxLine + 1)
			textArray.splice(1,textArray.length-1-maxLine);
			this.tiddler.text = textArray.join('\n');		
	}
	// update tiddler fields
	this.tiddler.modifier = config.options.txtUserName;
	this.tiddler.modified = new Date();
	store.addTiddler(this.tiddler);
	// refresh and notifiy for immediate update
	story.refreshTiddler(this.tiddler.title);
	store.notify(this.tiddler.title, true);
};

bidix.UploadLog.prototype.startUpload = function(storeUrl, toFilename, uploadDir,  backupDir) {
	if (!this.tiddler)
		return;
	var now = new Date();
	var text = "\n| ";
	var filename = bidix.basename(document.location.toString());
	if (!filename) filename = '/';
	text += now.formatString("0DD/0MM/YYYY 0hh:0mm:0ss") +" | ";
	text += config.options.txtUserName + " | ";
	text += "[["+filename+"|"+location + "]] |";
	text += " [[" + bidix.basename(storeUrl) + "|" + storeUrl + "]] | ";
	text += uploadDir + " | ";
	text += "[[" + bidix.basename(toFilename) + " | " +toFilename + "]] | ";
	text += backupDir + " |";
	this.addText(text);
};

bidix.UploadLog.prototype.endUpload = function(status) {
	if (!this.tiddler)
		return;
	this.addText(" "+status+" |");
};

//
// Utilities
// 

bidix.checkPlugin = function(plugin, major, minor, revision) {
	var ext = version.extensions[plugin];
	if (!
		(ext  && 
			((ext.major > major) || 
			((ext.major == major) && (ext.minor > minor))  ||
			((ext.major == major) && (ext.minor == minor) && (ext.revision >= revision))))) {
			// write error in PluginManager
			if (pluginInfo)
				pluginInfo.log.push("Requires " + plugin + " " + major + "." + minor + "." + revision);
			eval(plugin); // generate an error : "Error: ReferenceError: xxxx is not defined"
	}
};

bidix.dirname = function(filePath) {
	if (!filePath) 
		return;
	var lastpos;
	if ((lastpos = filePath.lastIndexOf("/")) != -1) {
		return filePath.substring(0, lastpos);
	} else {
		return filePath.substring(0, filePath.lastIndexOf("\\"));
	}
};

bidix.basename = function(filePath) {
	if (!filePath) 
		return;
	var lastpos;
	if ((lastpos = filePath.lastIndexOf("#")) != -1) 
		filePath = filePath.substring(0, lastpos);
	if ((lastpos = filePath.lastIndexOf("/")) != -1) {
		return filePath.substring(lastpos + 1);
	} else
		return filePath.substring(filePath.lastIndexOf("\\")+1);
};

bidix.initOption = function(name,value) {
	if (!config.options[name])
		config.options[name] = value;
};

//
// Initializations
//

// require PasswordOptionPlugin 1.0.1 or better
bidix.checkPlugin("PasswordOptionPlugin", 1, 0, 1);

// styleSheet
setStylesheet('.txtUploadStoreUrl, .txtUploadBackupDir, .txtUploadDir {width: 22em;}',"uploadPluginStyles");

//optionsDesc
merge(config.optionsDesc,{
	txtUploadStoreUrl: "Url of the UploadService script (default: store.php)",
	txtUploadFilename: "Filename of the uploaded file (default: in index.html)",
	txtUploadDir: "Relative Directory where to store the file (default: . (downloadService directory))",
	txtUploadBackupDir: "Relative Directory where to backup the file. If empty no backup. (default: ''(empty))",
	txtUploadUserName: "Upload Username",
	pasUploadPassword: "Upload Password",
	chkUploadLog: "do Logging in UploadLog (default: true)",
	txtUploadLogMaxLine: "Maximum of lines in UploadLog (default: 10)"
});

// Options Initializations
bidix.initOption('txtUploadStoreUrl','');
bidix.initOption('txtUploadFilename','');
bidix.initOption('txtUploadDir','');
bidix.initOption('txtUploadBackupDir','');
bidix.initOption('txtUploadUserName','');
bidix.initOption('pasUploadPassword','');
bidix.initOption('chkUploadLog',true);
bidix.initOption('txtUploadLogMaxLine','10');


// Backstage
merge(config.tasks,{
	uploadOptions: {text: "upload", tooltip: "Change UploadOptions and Upload", content: '<<uploadOptions>>'}
});
config.backstageTasks.push("uploadOptions");


//}}}

<!--{{{-->
<div class='toolbar' macro='toolbar [[ToolbarCommands::ViewToolbar]]'></div>
<div class='title' macro='view title'></div>
<div class='subtitle'><span macro='view modifier link'></span>, <span macro='view modified date'></span> (<span macro='message views.wikified.createdPrompt'></span> <span macro='view created date'></span>)</div>
<div class='tagging' macro='tagging'></div>
<div class='tagged' macro='tags'></div>
<div class='viewer' macro='view text wikified'></div>
<div class='tagClear'></div>
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